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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jun 29, 1:16 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jun 29, 12:26�am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> Smiler wrote:
>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09?pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05? am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48? am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. ? All you have
>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. ?Atheists have said they have proven all
>>>>>>>>>>>> manner of things. ?Almost always it turns out to be something
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other
>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday,
>>>>>>>>>>> which it
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh).
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.'
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which
>>>>>>>>>>> atheists
>>>>>>>>>>> have claimed it? ?Atheists don't actually need to 'prove'
>>>>>>>>>>> anything,
>>>>>>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the
>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of
>>>>>>>>>>> god any
>>>>>>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of
>>>>>>>>>>> Traal.
>>>>>>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis,
>>>>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>>> a fact.
>>>>>>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven.
>>>>>>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we
>>>>>>>>>> cant get
>>>>>>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less.
>>>>>>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and
>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole
>>>>>>>>>> mess as
>>>>>>>>>> something one can simply do without.
>>>>>>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although
>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first
>>>>>>>>>>> place...
>>>>>>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility.
>>>>>>>>>> Its
>>>>>>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology.
>>>>>>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus.
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows.
>>>>>>> He was the one who created atheists.
>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he
>>>>>> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds
>>>>>> OK to me.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>> Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea. �He is the one
>>>>> who is going to judge the earth.
>>>>> -------------------------------------
>>>>> You keep saying this and talk about 'end times', but have never told us what
>>>>> date it will happen.
>>>>> You claim to have a 'direct line' to this JC character, so tell us what he
>>>>> says.
>>>> He *is* kinda tardy to the party. I bet he brings some kick-ass wine though!- Hide quoted text -
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>>> The day and hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven.
>> The party is nearly over! The sloppy drunk isn't seeing straight. :-)- Hide quoted text -
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> 
> 7  But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are
> out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong
> drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through
> strong drink;  they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

Indeed. One gets the distinct impression that Jesus was probably a 
doper, and indeed this description could equally applied to the church 
and its followers to this day.


> 8  For all tables are full of viomit and filthiness, so that there is
> no place clean.

Sounds like any town on a saturday night: hardly remarkable as a statement.

> Robert B. Winn