Article View: sci.physics
Article #14308Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:10
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:10
70 lines
5863 bytes
5863 bytes
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05� am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48� am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. � All you have done >>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who is >>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. �Atheists have said they have proven all >>>>>>>> manner of things. �Almost always it turns out to be something some >>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other atheists. >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday, which it >>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh). >>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.' >>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which atheists >>>>>>> have claimed it? �Atheists don't actually need to 'prove' anything, >>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the first >>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of god any >>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of Traal. >>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis, nor >>>>>> a fact. >>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven. >>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we cant get >>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less. >>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and open >>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole mess as >>>>>> something one can simply do without. >>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although actual >>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first place... >>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility. Its >>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology. >>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not a >>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof. >>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ. >>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus. >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows. >>> He was the one who created atheists. >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he >> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds >> OK to me.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea. He is the one > who is going to judge the earth. > Robert B. winn Science 'Dix points' The Church :'Null points' Jerr Springer: "How come you are aandinng the church Jesus. Jesus": "cos that's full of people who thought they knew all the snmawers. Scientists are the only ones who were humble enough to see what I laid before them, and draw their own conclusions. The church tauht that it had the Knowledge, I taught people how to take their own path to Knowledge. Only science followed me.
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<1214773901.21259.0@proxy01.news.clara.net>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.visyn.net!news.svengo.de!feeder.erje.net!news.clara.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!proxy01.news.clara.netReferences:
<48581d68$1@clear.net.nz> <4858b59f$1@clear.net.nz> <6bs4roF3dpis8U1@mid.individual.net> <062a4aa8-c7d8-4bef-a0ea-1962938701ba@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <884e5992-7364-40c6-9d03-4c22aafd215b@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <y8D8k.63141$7m7.42046@newsfe30.ams2> <74e6eff8-410e-4b2d-a0e6-02502e5a0cbe@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <df084d52-af14-46d7-8007-73d87d68d111@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <7a37fe43-f010-4321-9a28-9734acbe5652@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> <Pine.SOL.3.96.1080626134221.14285B-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk> <1214510991.14617.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <80806b1c-5918-4555-89e2-e47c3987a1b6@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <1214551962.1522.2@proxy01.news.clara.net> <fbc9a990-d5e8-4450-a03b-a3d1cdf6bed3@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <547e467d-b45a-42b9-9e5a-41fc119614bf@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.visyn.net!news.svengo.de!feeder.erje.net!news.clara.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!proxy01.news.clara.net Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:10:27 +0100 From: The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? References: <48581d68$1@clear.net.nz> <4858b59f$1@clear.net.nz> <6bs4roF3dpis8U1@mid.individual.net> <062a4aa8-c7d8-4bef-a0ea-1962938701ba@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <884e5992-7364-40c6-9d03-4c22aafd215b@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <y8D8k.63141$7m7.42046@newsfe30.ams2> <74e6eff8-410e-4b2d-a0e6-02502e5a0cbe@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <df084d52-af14-46d7-8007-73d87d68d111@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <7a37fe43-f010-4321-9a28-9734acbe5652@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> <Pine.SOL.3.96.1080626134221.14285B-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk> <1214510991.14617.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <80806b1c-5918-4555-89e2-e47c3987a1b6@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <1214551962.1522.2@proxy01.news.clara.net> <fbc9a990-d5e8-4450-a03b-a3d1cdf6bed3@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <547e467d-b45a-42b9-9e5a-41fc119614bf@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net (please include full headers) X-Trace: 5a50d0206678640169cd8290fe6c284d30540065606f78bc58c64a604867fa8d NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:11:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1214773901.21259.0@proxy01.news.clara.net> Lines: 73