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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#14315
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:26
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Smiler wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
> news:065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09?pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05? am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48? am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. ? All you have 
>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. ?Atheists have said they have proven all
>>>>>>>> manner of things. ?Almost always it turns out to be something 
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other 
>>>>>>>> atheists.
>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday, 
>>>>>>> which it
>>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh).
>>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.'
>>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which 
>>>>>>> atheists
>>>>>>> have claimed it? ?Atheists don't actually need to 'prove' 
>>>>>>> anything,
>>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the 
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of 
>>>>>>> god any
>>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of 
>>>>>>> Traal.
>>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis, 
>>>>>> nor
>>>>>> a fact.
>>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven.
>>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we 
>>>>>> cant get
>>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less.
>>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and 
>>>>>> open
>>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole 
>>>>>> mess as
>>>>>> something one can simply do without.
>>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although 
>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first 
>>>>>>> place...
>>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility. 
>>>>>> Its
>>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology.
>>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof.
>>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ.
>>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus.
>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows.
>>> He was the one who created atheists.
>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he
>> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds
>> OK to me.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea.  He is the one
> who is going to judge the earth.
> -------------------------------------
> You keep saying this and talk about 'end times', but have never told us what 
> date it will happen.
> You claim to have a 'direct line' to this JC character, so tell us what he 
> says.

He *is* kinda tardy to the party. I bet he brings some kick-ass wine though!
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