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Article #14315Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:26
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:26
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Smiler wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote: >> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09?pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05? am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48? am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. ? All you have >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. ?Atheists have said they have proven all >>>>>>>> manner of things. ?Almost always it turns out to be something >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other >>>>>>>> atheists. >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday, >>>>>>> which it >>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh). >>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.' >>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which >>>>>>> atheists >>>>>>> have claimed it? ?Atheists don't actually need to 'prove' >>>>>>> anything, >>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of >>>>>>> god any >>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of >>>>>>> Traal. >>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis, >>>>>> nor >>>>>> a fact. >>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven. >>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we >>>>>> cant get >>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less. >>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and >>>>>> open >>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole >>>>>> mess as >>>>>> something one can simply do without. >>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although >>>>>>> actual >>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first >>>>>>> place... >>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility. >>>>>> Its >>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology. >>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not >>>>>> a >>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof. >>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ. >>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus. >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows. >>> He was the one who created atheists. >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he >> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds >> OK to me.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea. He is the one > who is going to judge the earth. > ------------------------------------- > You keep saying this and talk about 'end times', but have never told us what > date it will happen. > You claim to have a 'direct line' to this JC character, so tell us what he > says. He *is* kinda tardy to the party. I bet he brings some kick-ass wine though!
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