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On 5 Jun, 00:53, Kenneth Doyle <nob...@notmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:00:48 -0500, Antares 531 wrote:
> > On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:00:21 -0400, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> >>Antares 531 wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:39:06 -0400, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Antares 531 wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:46:36 -0400, "Geoff"
> >>>>> <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> mitch.nicolas.raem...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> Science thinks it knows alot? Ask it in a million years.
> >>>>>> Religion claims to know everything. It has been shown to be wrong
> >>>>>> innumerable times.
> >>>>> Quite the contrary, religion acknowledges that there is an
> >>>>> infinitude of information that we don't understand..."for now we see
> >>>>> through a glass, darkly."  But, in the next life we will see it all,
> >>>>> very clearly. This is why our current acceptance is based upon
> >>>>> faith, instead of knowledge.
> >>>> Do you know that for a fact? Thanks!
> >>> No, I, nor anyone else knows for a fact that the information presented
> >>> to us in the Bible is right. We accept it on faith.
> >>Great! Thanks for clearing that up! *rolls eyes*
> > This has been "cleared up" for a very long time. I'm happy to see that
> > you now understand.
> > There never has, and never will be any objective proof of God's
> > existence, for the non-believer. If one exercises their sovereign will
> > and chooses to seek insight into this, God WILL reveal Himself to you,
> > "as needed," but not in a form that can be laid out in the Physics lab
> > as empirical evidence.
> You know what?  I have exercised my sovereign will.  I have chosen to
> seek insight into these matters.  Therefore God has revealed himself to
> me "as needed"; which is to say, not in any manner whatsoever.  This
> therefore proves that I don't need God.  At least according to your
> rendition of the otherwise incomprehensible divine plan.
> > One problem here is that God's program is so complex that none of us
> > could even begin to analyze it.
> And yet you do such a good job of it.  Why, you must be so much more
> divine than us mere mortals.
> > Any amount of information we could
> > assemble in our minds would be infinitesimally small compared to the
> > whole scenario.
> And yet you seem to have no qualms about speaking as if you know the
> whole plan in intimate detail.  Come on, own up.  You really are God
> aren't you?
> > We simply have to take it on faith and not kick against
> > the goads.
> >>> Similarly, no one knows for a fact that the extra dimensions in SSM
> >>> Theory really exist, but there is a lot of "evidence" in the form of
> >>> mathematical harmony that corroborates the "belief" that these extra
> >>> dimensions do indeed exist.
> >>Yes. Any evidence at all would be more evidence than you have for your
> >>god.
> > I have all the "evidence" I need, and you could also, if you would
> > choose to open up and sincerely seek further insights into this.
> Did that, and according to you my divine insight is that God isn't
> necessary (as detailed above).  Why isn't my divine insight just as valid
> as yours?
> > But,
> > it's your choice. No one, not even God, Himself, will in any way force
> > you to knuckle under and comply.
> Tell that to Pharaoh!
> > On the flip side of this, if God had provided the objective proof that
> > you and others are calling for, you would NOT have any freedom of
> > choice.
> Bullshit!  People choose every day to deny the objective existence of
> things that are staring them right in the face.  Other people would
> choose not to follow God even if objective and unquestionable evidence of
> his existence were available.  Your argument here relies on the unwritten
> premise that anyone who has objective evidence of God is suddenly no
> longer free to worship or reject him.  That premise is hardly axiomatic.

'God', epistemologically and ostensively, shares the universe with the
Devil - on a rough guess! In the long run, though, he evens things
out, and everyone does well!

Ain't God great!
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'foolsrushin.'