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Article #14406Re: True Philosophers and Thought
From: foolsrushin.
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:01
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:01
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On 25 Apr, 10:00, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > foolsrushin wrote: > > On 25 Apr, 00:22, Lester Zick <dontbot...@nowhere.net> wrote: > >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT), PD > >> <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Obviously you've already taken a vow of consummate ignorance. Anyone > >>>> can say anything publicly without making it true. > >>> That's certainly correct. However, the point of using words in the > >>> first place is not to establish the truth of the purported meaning of > >>> those words, but to communicate. > >> To communicate what? Science prefers truth. > >> ~v~~ > > Contractual obligations, poems, plays, inductive infallibility? Can > > the latter be communicated unambigously? Wittgenstein retreated to > > language games, and rightly, Russell thought them silly. > > I think that was Wittgensteins point, really. [U may be right!] After the Tractatus, Wittgenstein had only *points* and tedious language games, often incidentally connected or overlapping. Philosophical Investigations argues that confusions about the meaning and scope of words and their undue extension in philosophical discourse are at the root of most, if not all, philosophical problems. Philosophy came to be treated as a disease of language! He stopped Russell, but would not have stopped Kant, I am sure: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctyjlz/ResearchSeminar.htm > Anyway science isn't there to communicate truth, its there to arrive at > conceptual hyptherses that fiot the facts as they are agreed, and carry > on fitting the facts so well as to allow prediction of the future to be > achieved in limited cases with remarkable accuracy. Science is (a) a set of systematic procedures, applicable to anything; (b) conjectures within an existing framework as to what is likely to be 'fructive' to pursue; (c) resultant but potentially refutable knowledge; and it is not metaphysics, because of (c)! > > -- > > 'foolsrushin.' -- 'foolsrushin.'
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