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In sci.physics, BradGuth
<bradguth@gmail.com>
 wrote
on Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:36:28 -0000
<1180686988.445199.212030@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
> On May 31, 8:33 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
> <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>> In sci.physics, BradGuth
>> <bradg...@gmail.com>
>>  wrote
>> on 31 May 2007 03:59:39 -0700
>> <1180609179.557820.228...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > On May 27, 12:00 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
>> > <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>> >> In sci.physics, BradGuth
>> >> <bradg...@gmail.com>
>> >>  wrote
>> >> on 27 May 2007 11:24:49 -0700
>> >> <1180290289.181169.307...@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> >> > On May 26, 9:47 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
>> >> > <e...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>> >> >> In sci.physics, BradGuth
>> >> >> <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >> >> > You obviously have no such understanding of my proposal.
>>
>> >> >> > You just don't get it.  Using the efficient tug of mass in order to
>> >> >> > move a much greater mass is obviously way over your naysay head.
>>
>> >> >> Ah, I see.  So something just waves its 100 kg mass
>> >> >> just over theMoonand magically moves it to L1?
>>
>> >> >> Right.
>> >> > Try 1e12 kg as tethered at themoon's2XL2, or if need be using the
>> >> > more impressive 3XL2 tethered mass.
>>
>> >> That's a *billion metric tonnes*.  Best I can do is
>> >> $100/metric tonne of scrap iron (total cost: $100 billion),
>> >> and you'll have to get it up there yourself.
>>
>> >> > Of course there's going to be a
>> >> > few complex adjustments of tethered mass along the way towards
>> >> > reaching and holding onto Earth's L1.
>>
>> >> OK...and these adjustments will be done precisely how...?
>>
>> > Not by the snookered and seriously dumbfounded fools like yourself.
>>
>> I'm not the one proposing a tether.  Am I supposed to answer your
>> questions for you, lazybones? ;-)
>
> Yes, as in why the hell not.

It's mostly a matter of cost and effort.  It takes money
to drag things to the moon (including humans in heavy
lead suits)) and construct tethers.  There's no reason
not to build a tether.  I don't know whether it'll work,
but there's no reason not to build one.

>
>>
>> > If you want "precisely how", that'll cost.  Why don't you make it
>> > worth my while?
>>
>> Ah, so you're in the consultancy business, are you?
>> Contact NASA.  They'll want to know. :-)  If you're really
>> lucky they might let you borrow a Saturn V.  (There's one
>> in storage.  Might need some restoration.  I for one have
>> no idea how you'll bring it back, but the first two stages
>> are designed to be discardable anyway.)
>
> Being that silly Jewish spook and/or naysaying rusemaster again, arnt
> you.

Are you going to build the tether, let NASA do it for you, or wait for
the Chinese?  They're going to the Moon, you know (I think they're
targeting 2020 but my link's having problems today).

>
>>
>>
>> >> > Unfortunately, unless I can get
>> >> > a cache of spare body parts,
>>
>> >> Mmm...I'll put you in touch with Mary Shelley.  She was good at that.
>> >> :-)
>>
>> >> > I will no longer be a part of that team
>> >> > effort, that'll likely become the ultimate responsibility of the
>> >> > second or third generation that'll by then be having to pay $100/
>> >> > gallon and perhaps otherwise as much as $10/kwhr by the end of that
>> >> > WWIII global warming century, that's likely going to take all the
>> >> > shade via ourmoonthat we can muster.  Having established roughly
>> >> > half the tidal factors to deal with, as such this alone should
>> >> > otherwise greatly minimize the internal and surface related trauma of
>> >> > friction induced global warming.
>>
>> >> >> And how long did you want this movement to take again?
>> >> > A good century should more than do the trick.  Or, are you Third Reich
>> >> > naysay folks in some kind of special Old Testament thumping hurry?
>>
>> >> Probably not, but you're going to have to put a few more details on
>> >> exactly how this tether works.  (Especially since it's far from clear
>> >> how much tension the tether will have.)
>>
>> > Perhaps as little as taking 10% of the 4.84 GPa as accommodated by the
>> > moon's basalt fibers.  Otherwise, I honestly think we could go for 50%
>> > tether loading, as being worth 2.42 GPa.
>>
>> OK...that takes care of the loading of each m^2 of cross section.  How
>> thick is this tether?
>
> As thick and as wide as you'd care to make it.
>
>> I think you've answered how long (2x
>> Moon-(Earth-Sun L1 distance) = 3.006 * 10^9 m +/- about 4 * 10^8 m).
>
> Wrong!
>
> The sun and of Earth's L1 has almost nothing to do with the initial
> task of relocating our moon to Earth's L1.  Sadly, you and of your
> naysay mindset don't even know of what the moon's L2 is all about,
> much less of its L1.  Therefore, you're absolutely no good at all.  Be
> sure to let us know when you discover what the moon's 2XL2 has to
> offer.

Ah, you want the Earth/Moon L2.  My bad.  Yes, that would work.

>
>>
>> >> >> > Don't need any stinking big-ass rocket engines, or those impactors
>> >> >> > from our Oort cloud.  As I'd said before, given a good supercomputer
>> >> >> > and of its fully interactive orbital physics software is all that I'll
>> >> >> > need, plus a spare trillion dollars per year for roughly the next
>> >> >> > century.  Got a problem with any of that?
>>
>> >> >> Um....why would one want to boost a supercomputer over
>> >> >> theMoonin order to direct its motion?
>> >> > Now that's really getting silly, don't you think?  I only need that
>> >> > supercomputer along with its advanced 3D interactive orbital simulator
>> >> > software for a few pesky refinements, and otherwise for generating the
>> >> > usual nifty 3D spiffy graphics of show and tell, as in generating all
>> >> > of that eye popping candy so that folks will not terribly mind having
>> >> > to pay that 10% surcharge upon fossil and yellowcake energy.
>>
>> >> A contemporary PC would do the trick and cost far less.
>>
>> >> >> As for the spare trillion -- I'll have to ask my Nazi
>> >> >> Jewish supervisors.  I'm not authorized to dole out that
>> >> >> sort of funding. ;-)
>>
>> >> > It's all covered by my 10% excise tax that's added onto the end-user/
>> >> > retail cost of all that's fossil or yellowcake energy.  Of course,
>> >> > this excise tax would likely have an affect of forcing the wholesale
>> >> > cost of that energy to becoming as competitively low cost as
>> >> > possible.  Sorry about all that.
>>
>> >> "Your" tax?  It'll probably have to be passed through Congress.  Contact
>> >> your Rep.
>>
>> > NO, I'd meant a global fuel/energy tax of 10%.  No Congress of any
>> > kind, as this one of relocating our moon out to Earth's L1 will be
>> > mandated by the likes of God.
>>
>> Um....OK, so you're going to pray to God to manufacture this tether,
>> then?
>
> Unlike yourself, I not stupid, I ROBOT.  God is just included for all
> the necessary butt kickings, that'll go at least 4+ decades
> retroactive.  I don't think God's law has a statute of limitations,
> nor of any future limitations.

Fine.  So how are you going to get the tether constructed then?

>
>>
>> > Do your butt-cheeks always flap when you blow your brown nose?
>>
>> > At least you've been a fairly good sport of a rusemaster.  Too bad all
>> > the others within your silly borg collective don't have any sense of
>> > humor about their demise.
>>
>> It's the tinfoil hats they're wearing.  They suppress all laughter.
>> Can't be too careful with al Qaeda running amuck out there; it might
>> lead to dancing.
>>
>
> How about instead of 'Dancing With The Stars', we could have a good
> run at 'Dancing With al Qaeda'.  At least it wouldn't be staged or
> otherwise phony as WMD.

Ah, so you'd rather play warbot than move the Moon, then?  I'm confused.

> -
> Brad Guth
> -
> "whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell
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