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Article #14827Re: ARE ELECTRONS PHYSICAL ENTITIES?
From: Y.Porat
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:42
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:42
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On Jul 27, 10:53 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 25, 4:10 am, Loui...@edu.herlufsholm.dk wrote: > > > ARE ELECTRONS PHYSICAL ENTITIES? > > If an electron is a physical matter-/energy ‘particle’ then it MUST > > have a maybe not definite mean geometrical extension. > > Why? > > If you think about it, volume is a property that only applies to > objects and substances that are *known* to be composites, and the > dimensions of that object are driven not by the size of the more > elemental constituents but by the *interaction* between them. > > Let's take a chain to illustrate: > A crystal of table sugar has geometric extension, but this is due to > the intermolecular spacing between sucrose molecules. The molecules > are not in direct shoulder-to-shoulder contact, but rather their > spacing is given by intermolecular forces. > > The sucrose molecule has physical extent by virtue of the interatomic > bond lengths in the sucrose molecule. Those bond lengths between > carbon and hydrogen in the sucrose are due to where the energetic > minimum is in the *interaction* between the carbon and hydrogen atoms, > not because that's where their electron shells bump up against each > other. Refer to a basic chemistry book. > > The size of the carbon atom is governed not by the size of the nucleus > and the electrons, but by the nature of the electromagnetic > *interaction* between them. When the nucleus and and the electrons are > at their point of closest approach, the dimensions of the nucleus is > still 100,000 times smaller than where the electron sits. The atom is > a composite whose size is governed by the *interaction* between it's > constituents. > > The nucleus is a composite. It's size is governed not by the size of > protons and neutrons rubbing side by side, but by the *interaction* > between them. > > The proton is a composite of quarks and gluons. The proton's size of > one femtometer is not controlled by the size of the quarks and gluons > inside it, but by the *interaction* between them. Every measurement we > have says that quarks and gluons are *at least* a thousand times > smaller than their average distance between them in the proton. > > There is simply no reason to assume that fundamental particles MUST > have physical extent, since physical extent is a result of > *interaction* between inner constituents. > > PD > > > > > THE STANDARD-MODEL IS NOT ULTIMATE, MAYBE WRONG? > > It is in the not ultimate standard-model of ‘elementary-particles’ > > that an electron is described without a physical geometrical > > extension. > > In the standard-model of ‘elementary-particles’ the electron is > > described as a ‘point-particle’ that have been given AD HOC physical > > properties as mass, electric charge, spin, magnetic moment etc. > > > It must be time experimentally to discover the ‘true’ nature of the > > electron! > > > Best regards > > Louis Nielsen > > Denmark ----------------- Bravo !! so not a point particle anymore !! (:-) and you start understand that you still dont know enough and there i s work to do ahead Y.P ----------------------------
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