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Article #1498Re: Chaos
From: Andrew Mullhaupt
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:40
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:40
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In article <1992Jul21.211921.17976@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@nevanlinna.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes: >In article <1992Jul20.153122.29180@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: >>In article <1076@kepler1.rentec.com> andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt) writes: >>>OK but there is still a universal attractor for the N-S equations as >>>rigorously proved by Foias et. al. The hard core theory seems to be well known in 2 space dimensions. I hadn't remembered this, but a quick look at the literature shows that over the past ten years, the 2-D case is pretty well worked out. The 3-D case is not done, but you can get pretty close - to get the 3-D case you need to know that the do not develop singularites. (Global regularity). In the 3-D case, you can do stuff, such as Ghidaglia and Temam "Lower bound for the dimension of the attractor for the Navier Stokes equations in space dimension 3" in the collection: _Mechanics, analysis and geometry: 200 years after Lagrange_, M. Francaviglia, ed. North-Holland 1991. >> Is this the 'universal attractor' for 2-D NS with periodic and >> dirichlet BC's? OK, so the rigorous stuff is still at 2-D, but the hope that there won't be an attractor in the 3-D case looks a bit thin, and getting thinner as time goes by. Note that there are more different 2-D problems which have been worked out. I think that helically symmetric 3-D N-S solutions are an invariant subspace to which this theory applies, too. >Could someone elaborate a bit more on this idea and what precisely was >proved? I find it rather odd. I seem to recall that the 2-D nonlinear >Schrodinger equation with cubic nonlinearity is completely integrable >(let's take periodic boundary conditions, say). What sort of >nonlinearities does Foias consider, and what is a "universal attractor"? Real nonlinearities - like the Navier Stokes equations. You can also do stuff with complex Ginzburg-Landau, etc. Later, Andrew Mullhaupt
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!psinntp!kepler1!andrew From: andrew@rentec.com (Andrew Mullhaupt) Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.math Subject: Re: Chaos Message-ID: <1116@kepler1.rentec.com> Date: 24 Jul 92 21:40:55 GMT References: <1076@kepler1.rentec.com> <1992Jul20.153122.29180@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1992Jul21.211921.17976@galois.mit.edu> Followup-To: sci.physics Organization: Renaissance Technologies Corp., Setauket, NY. Lines: 36