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Article #15684Re: Dark Age of Cosmology
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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:34
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:34
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On Aug 6, 2:42ย am, "G. L. Bradford" <glbra...@insightbb.com> wrote: > "Uncle Ben" <b...@greenba.com> wrote in message > > news:f348d6be-00ae-4353-b155-1b06226a3950@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 5, 2:38 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 9:37 pm, Strich 9 <Strich.9.2dd3...@physicsbanter.com> wrote > > in sci.physics: > > > > 1905 will be the year marked as the beginning of the Dark Age of > > > Cosmology, wherein the Theory of Special Relativity, strung science > > > along a path of never ending dead ends, from the quest for Dark Matter > > > to Gravitational Waves. It is a tale of how minor computational errors > > > in the observations of the bending of light and the precession of the > > > planets led to a never ending vicious cycle of one layer of theoretical > > > bureaucracy on top of another. Any potential contravening opinion is > > > sentenced to go through layers upon layers of bewildering claims. Yet, > > > its very foundation was shaky, propped up over the century by an > > > illusion of strength and consistency. Proponents of the science will > > > be looked by history as practitioners of pseudoscience and mythology, > > > almost like a modern day alchemy. > > > > Current loopholes in Relativity include: > > > > 1) The unresolvable twin paradox. > > > 2) The incorrect predictions of precession for the planets. > > > 3) The incorrect interpretation of red shift. > > > 4) The incorrect interpretation of so-called bending of light. > > > 5) The inability to find dark matter, gravitational waves, and other > > > relativity spin-offs. > > > 6) Intrinsic incompatibility with quantum dynamics. > > > > -- > > > Strich 9 > > > Well said. Bryan Wallace, the Martyr, while dying, still managed to > > write this: > > >http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm > > Bryan Wallace: "There is a popular argument that the world's oldest > > profession is sexual prostitution. I think that it is far more likely > > that the oldest profession is scientific prostitution, and that it is > > still alive and well, and thriving in the 20th century. I suspect that > > long before sex had any commercial value, the prehistoric shamans used > > their primitive knowledge to acquire status, wealth, and political > > power, in much the same way as the dominant scientific and religious > > politicians of our time do. So in a sense, I tend to agree with > > Weart's argument that the earliest scientists were the prehistoric > > shamans, and the argument of Feyerabend that puts science on a par > > with religion and prostitution. I also tend to agree with the argument > > of Ellis that states that both science and theology have much in > > common, and both attempt to model reality on arguments based on > > unprovable articles of faith. Using the logic that if it looks like a > > duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, it must be a duck: > > I support the argument that since there is no significant difference > > between science and religion, science should be considered a religion! > > I would also agree with Ellis' argument of the obvious methodological > > differences between science and the other religions. The other > > dominant religions are static because their arguments are based on > > rigid doctrines set forth by their founders, such as Buddha, Jesus, > > and Muhammad, who have died long ago. Science on the other hand, is a > > dynamic religion that was developed by many men over a long period of > > time, and it has a flexible doctrine, the scientific method, that > > demands that the arguments change to conform to the evolving > > observational and experimental evidence. The word science was derived > > from the Latin word scientia, which means knowledge, so we see that > > the word, in essence, is just another word for knowledge. An associate > > of mine, Prof. Richard Rhodes II, a Professor of Physics at Eckerd > > College, once told me that students in his graduate school used to > > joke that Ph.D. stood for Piled higher and Deeper. If one considers > > the vast array of abstract theoretical garbage that dominates modern > > physics and astronomy, this appears to be an accurate description of > > the degree. Considering the results from Mahoney's field trial that > > showed Protestant ministers were two to three times more likely to use > > scientific methodology than Ph.D. scientists, it seems reasonable to > > consider that they have two to three times more right to be called > > scientists then the so-called Ph.D. scientists. I would agree with > > Popper's argument that observations are theory-laden, and there is no > > way to prove an argument beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt, but at > > the very least, the scientist should do more than pay lip service to > > the scientific method. The true scientist must have faith and believe > > in the scientific method of testing theories, and not in the theories > > themselves. I agree with Seeds argument that "A pseudoscience is > > something that pretends to be a science but does not obey the rules of > > good conduct common to all sciences." Because many of the dominant > > theories of our time do not follow the rules of science, they should > > more properly be labeled pseudoscience. The people who tend to believe > > more in theories than in the scientific method of testing theories, > > and who ignore the evidence against the theories they believe in, > > should be considered pseudoscientists and not true scientists. To the > > extent that the professed beliefs are based on the desire for status, > > wealth, or political reasons, these people are scientific > > prostitutes." > > > Pentcho Valev > > pva...@yahoo.com- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > The difference between science and religion is that science can be > tested by experiment and religion cannot. ย That is why we have many > religions in the world but only one physics. > > Uncle Ben > There is only one physics: quantum physics. Relativity is just another religion.
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