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Article #15695Re: Dark Age of Cosmology
From: PD
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:00
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:00
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On Aug 6, 7:45 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 2:08 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Pentcho, if something actually happens in nature -- if it is > > experimentally observed -- then it isn't a mystery. It is a fact. The > > circumstance that you are surprised by the fact does not make it a > > mystery. The circumstance that you cannot understand how that can be > > does not make it a mystery. > > Of course trapping a 80m long pole inside a 40m long barn is a fact > Clever Draper - what else could it be? But there is also a "disparity > between common experience and scientific knowledge" and this makes > such facts difficult to understand: > That is certainly true. And as Brian Greene notes, this is something that physicists continue to struggle with -- adjusting the "common sense" to be more in line with demonstrated fact. Nature doesn't give a damn what makes good "common sense". It does what it does. It is the physicist's job to figure out what nature REALLY DOES, not to figure out what makes good, common sense, or what is easily understandable. You take the approach, citing Orwell, that common sense should be favored over demonstrated fact, because common sense is easier for people to understand. That's a lovely philosophy for life but it has nothing to do with science, which favors demonstrated fact over common sense or understandability. So you have a choice, Pentcho. Do you want to do science? Or do you want to adopt a philosophy of common sense over demonstrated fact, intuitiveness over experimental measurement? PD
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