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Article #15696Re: Dark Age of Cosmology
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:34
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:34
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On Aug 6, 3:00 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 7:45 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 6, 2:08 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pentcho, if something actually happens in nature -- if it is > > > experimentally observed -- then it isn't a mystery. It is a fact. The > > > circumstance that you are surprised by the fact does not make it a > > > mystery. The circumstance that you cannot understand how that can be > > > does not make it a mystery. > > > Of course trapping a 80m long pole inside a 40m long barn is a fact > > Clever Draper - what else could it be? But there is also a "disparity > > between common experience and scientific knowledge" and this makes > > such facts difficult to understand: > > That is certainly true. And as Brian Greene notes, this is something > that physicists continue to struggle with -- adjusting the "common > sense" to be more in line with demonstrated fact. Nature doesn't give > a damn what makes good "common sense". It does what it does. It is the > physicist's job to figure out what nature REALLY DOES, not to figure > out what makes good, common sense, or what is easily understandable. > Correct Clever Draper but if you replace "nature" with "Einsteiniana" you will be Absolutely Correct: Clever Draper (Absolutely Correct): "Einsteiniana doesn't give a damn what makes good "common sense". It does what it does. It is the physicist's job to figure out what Einsteiniana REALLY DOES, not to figure out what makes good, common sense, or what is easily understandable." Yet there is a suspicion Clever Draper. Judging from Divine Albert's 1954 confession, perhaps in its fight against common sense Einsteiniana has gone too far: http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/pdf/files/975547d7-2d00-433a-b7e3-4a09145525ca.pdf John Stachel: "It is not so well known that there was "another Einstein," who from 1916 on was skeptical about the CONTINUUM as a foundational element in physics..." Albert Einstein: "I consider it entirely possible that physics cannot be based upon the field concept, that is on CONTINUOUS structures. Then nothing will remain of my whole castle in the air, including the theory of gravitation, but also nothing of the rest of contemporary physics." What do YOU think Clever Draper: Has Einsteiniana gone too far in its fight against common sense? Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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