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Article #15776Re: Newtonian explanation of gravitational time dilation possible?
From: Danny Milano
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:01
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:01
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On Jul 17, 8:53 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 17, 2:37 pm, Danny Milano <milanoda...@yahoo.com> wrote in > sci.physics: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > When objects are in strong gravity. Time literally slows down > > (not SR wise but literally) such that in the moon, time is > > faster because earth gravity make our time slower. > > > According to a famous anti-relativist who wrote an > > award winning book. The explanation is related to > > what Mitchell said that when object moves from > > low gravity to high gravity, there is loss of energy and > > reduction of frequency and increase of wavelength > > and this causes redshifting. Time slows down too as > > a result of this by causing influences on the atoms. > > This is a newtonian explanation against the pure > > spacetime concept where time slows down because > > of the geometry distortion. > > > IIs the newtonian explanation possible? Can it be > > falsified by empirical data? > > > Danny > > There is a textbook formula: > > (frequency) = (speed of light)/(wavelength) > > that both relativists and anti-relativists accept. According to this > formula, if the frequency decreases in a gravitational field, then > either the wavelength increases and the speed of light remains > constant, or the speed of light decreases and the wavelength remains > constant. Which alternative is physically more reasonable? > > Pentcho valev > pva...@yahoo.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'm talking of the purely temporal aspect. Baird said the GPS doesn't have to use GR because there is also a newtonian explanation for gravitational time dilation. I wonder what's the consensus about this. Anyone can illustrate what it means? D.
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