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Re: What *really* is Time?

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From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:54
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On 26 Aug, 11:35, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 26 Aug, 07:21, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> sci.physics:
>
> > Rex wrote:
> > > [...]
>
> > We humans have no way of knowing what "really" happens, or which
> > particular aspects of our theories correspond to reality and which do
> > not. All we can to is make theories about the world and its behavior,
> > test them experimentally, and refine them so they become better and
> > better MODELS of the world. This is known as science.
>
> > In our experiments, we measure "time" with clocks, and our theories
> > model time as what clocks measure. To date that is the best we can do.
>
> > As far as "time travel" goes, it is quite easy to "travel" into the
> > future -- just sit around and wait. As far as we know today, our best
> > theories indicate it is not possible to "travel" into the past, and
> > indeed no reliable and reproducible observation of that has ever been made.
>
> >         Note the PUN on the word "travel".
>
> > Tom Roberts
>
> Roberts Roberts your humour is both silly and irrelevant. There is no
> idiocy that your brothers time travellers, all of them distinguished
> hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult, have not taught. See this for
> instance:
>
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleId=0004226A-F77D-1D4A-90FB809EC5880000&chanId=sa013&modsrc=most_popular

Roberts Roberts your brother time traveller Paul Davies is a great
scientist because he can extract money from various time machines
built on Einstein's theories of relativity:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleId=0004226A-F77D-1D4A-90FB809EC5880000&chanId=sa013&modsrc=most_popular
"Our best understanding of time comes from Einstein's theories of
relativity....In effect, Sally has leaped nine years into Earth's
future.....Speed is one way to jump ahead in time. Gravity is another.
In his general theory of relativity, Einstein predicted that gravity
slows time."

But your brother time traveller Paul Davies is more than just a great
scientist Roberts Roberts. Paul Davies is a genius because Paul Davies
is ready to start extracting money even from the fact that the speed
of light is variable, a fact that topples Einstein's relativities.
This will happen only if the variable speed of light is introduced by
Paul Davies's friend, Joao Magueijo:

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=5538
"Was Einstein wrong? The idea of a variable speed of light, championed
by an angry young scientist, could one day topple Einstein's theory of
relativity." Paul Davies

Joao Magueijo says the speed of light varies with time but does not
say it varies with the gravitational potential or the relative speed
of the light source and the observer. In Einstein zombie world this
means money could be extracted from toppling Einstein's relativity, on
one hand, but also from not toppling it and continuing to use it for
building various time machines, on the other. For that reason Paul
Davies and Joao Magueijo are friends. Big friends. Like Don Corleone
and Don Tataglia. Paul Davies and Joao Magueijo know nothing about
people claiming the equation c'=c+v is correct, and do not want to
know anything about them. Those people die in oblivion but sometimes
manage to write a book while dying:

http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm

Pentcho Valev
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