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On Sep 13, 10:24 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 7:25 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> sci.physics:
>
>
>
> > Tom Roberts wrote:
> > > Michael Helland <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Hubble redshift is an empirical falsification of the conservation of
> > >> energy.
>
> > > Sure.  [...]
>
> > What I said is not wrong, but is only half the story. The true story
> > here is about the subtleties of GR, not anything about conservation of
> > energy.
>
> > So let me respond again, in a completely different way:
>
> > Michael Helland <mobyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  > Hubble redshift is an empirical falsification of the conservation of
> >  > energy.
>
> > Not really.
>
> Honest Roberts exercises himself in doublethink. Earlier exercises:
>
> http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/dc1ebdf49c01...
> Tom Roberts: "If it is ultimately discovered that the photon has a
> nonzero mass (i.e. light in vacuum does not travel at the invariant
> speed of the Lorentz transform), SR would be unaffected but both
> Maxwell's equations and QED would be refuted (or rather, their domains
> of applicability would be reduced)."
>
> Doublethink:
>
> http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/1984-17.html#seventeen
> George Orwell: "Doublethink means the power of holding two
> contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both
> of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories
> must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with
> reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself
> that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it
> would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to
> be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and
> hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since
> the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while
> retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To
> tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any
> fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary
> again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed,
> to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take
> account of the reality which one denies - all this is indispensably
> necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to
> exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is
> tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this
> knowledge ; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead
> of the truth."
>
> http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/1984-17.html#seventeen
> George Orwell: "It need hardly be said that the subtlest practitioners
> of doublethink are those who invented doublethink and know that it is
> a vast system of mental cheating. In our society, those who have the
> best knowledge of what is happening are also those who are furthest
> from seeing the world as it is. In general, the greater the
> understanding, the greater the delusion ; the more intelligent, the
> less sane."
>
> Pentcho Valev
> pva...@yahoo.com

So, what exactly are you going to do about any of this?

I call this "doublethink" bipolarism.  It's like those being pretend-
Atheists and then acting exactly as the Old Testament and/or Zionism
requires.

 ~ BG