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Article #16207Re: Pound Rebka
From: HW Henri Wilson
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:13
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:13
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:03:02 -0600, Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >Max Keon wrote: >> You clearly stated that the em-radiation going up is shifted to >> lower frequency. But it's only the clock rate stationed with the >> observer at the top that is blueshifted. There is no "photon >> frequency" change at all. > >Quantities like frequency, clock rate, and energy are all COORDINATE >DEPENDENT. Whether or not they change in the Pound-Rebka experiment >depends on which coordinates you choose to use. The number of ticks emitted PER ROTATION OF THE EARTH by a clock at the top of a tower is the same and the number received PER ROTATION OF THE EARTH at bottom of the tower. The 'frequency' of a photon (intrinsic wavecrests arriving per second) is higher at the bottom of the tower than at the top due to the photon's increase in speed. The PR experiment fully supports this. >The spatial coordinates >don't matter, here. If you choose a time coordinate determined by >standard clocks at every location of interest, you will observe that the >frequency and energy of the radiation changes; if you use a single >master clock with slave clocks at each location that are slaved to the >master via EM pulses (as in Schwarzschild coordinates), then you will >observe that the clock rates change but the radiation frequency does >not. The former is what Pound and Rebka implicitly used, as their >Moessbauer resonators are standard clocks. > >You attempt to make a distinction without a difference: both >descriptions are valid. One must of course be careful to select one and >stick with it throughout. > > >Tom Roberts Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T) www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm Einstein's Relativity is easy to understand if one has the IQ of a parrot and a gullibility index >0.95.
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