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Re: Pound Rebka

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From: Androcles
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:14
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"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@hiadeletethis.no> wrote in message
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| Androcles wrote:
| >
| >  Definitely right off the scale of my bullshit meter, a year on the Moon
| >  is exactly the same as a year on Earth and is also a trip around the
| >  Sun, the Earth and Moon are together and a year is a unit of time.
| >
| > If you use GR to calculate the time on Earth vs the time on the Moon
| >  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
| >
| >  tf = 1,000,000 years
| >  gravitational constant G = 6.673E-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2
| >  Mass of Earth = 5.9736E+24 kg
| >  r = 385000 km (distance to Moon)
| >  c = 299792.458 km/sec
| >
| >  t0 = 994222.168323667
|
| You can't expect Androcles to be able to insert numbers
| into an equation and get the right answer.
| Androcles doesn't understand what the equations mean,
| so he uses them wrongly.
|
| The correct answer is:
| While an observer on the Earth measure 1,000,000 years,
| an observer on the Moon (if we ignore the mass of the Moon)
| would measure 1000000.0006797 years.
| That is approximately 6 hours more than the observer on the Earth.
|
| Let's ignore the wildly wrong numbers, and enjoy
| the beautiful logic of this statement:
|
| > An observer on Earth measures the Moon making ~6 more
| > orbits around the Sun in a thousand years, as prophesied
| > by Einstein. You'd think someone would notice by now.
|
| Hilarious, no? :-)

Very hilarious.

The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation
corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the
ground state of the cesium 133 atom. - NIST.
That's 10 significant figures, Tusseladd has more than NIST.

So hilarious as to render GR totally useless even if it were right,
and since Einstein based his calculations solely on his assertion
'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' with no experimental evidence whatsoever,
it's wrong. :-)
We establish by definition that 1 year is one orbit; tough beans,
Tusseladd.

| In the unlikely (1) event that the reader doesn't get what
| is hilarious, it is that all observers obviously will
| count the same number of orbits of the Moon.

In the unlikely (1) event that the reader doesn't get what
is hilarious, it is that all observers obviously will
count the same number of years of the Moon- EXACTLY!

| It is the orbital period they will disagree about.

A year is not a year?  Amazing!

Perhaps Tusseladd can rustle up some tick fairies to account for his
0.0000000006797 years per year difference, possibly by creating
non-events such as leap seconds. After all, on September 2, 1752,
the British Isles and all the English colonies, including America, lost
11 days--September 3 through 13.

Looks like Pope Gregory X111 is more powerful than Einstein.
Hilarious, no? :-)
Oops, another broken bullshit meter.
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