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Yanick Toutain wrote:
> On 20 avr, 12:28, uri <dann...@bezeqint.net> wrote:
>> Is it possible to disprove phenomenalism?
>>
>> In epistemology and the philosophy of perception, phenomenalism is the
>> view that physical objects do not exist as things in themselves but
>> only as perceptual phenomena or sensory stimuli (e.g. redness,
>> hardness, softness, sweetness, etc.) situated in time and in space. In
>> particular, phenomenalism reduces talk about physical objects in the
>> external world to talk about bundles of sense-data. Phenomenalism is a
>> radical form of empiricism and, hence, its roots as an ontological
>> view of the nature of existence can be traced back to George Berkeley
>> and his subjective idealism, which David Hume further elaborated.
> 
> Frequently I ama not sute to understand what the redactors of
> sci.physics wrote
> 
> But here, I am sure !
> 
> VI L�nine have written an entire book against Malinovsky  - Bogdanov,
> against Mach, against Avenarius ... against Berkeley.
> Materislism and empiriociriticism.
> 
> He defended Newton, the absolute speed,the absolute time,the absolute
> motion in a universe where "physical objects exist as things in
> themselves".
> 
> I defend L�nine and Newton since 2001 on the web.
> 
> But I am waiting for the the first one who will say : I understand all
> the main theories of Newton and I want towork serieously to examin the
> six way I have discovered to prove our absolute 'objective) motion.
> 
> Take a look on my
> "manifeste mat�rialiste"
> and "la v�ritable �quation de la gravitation h�lioplan�taire.
> I just have written a text about the main questions of the motion and
> the space.
> http://monsyte.blogspot.com/2008/04/newton-les-vitesses-et-la-philosophie.html
> I have asked Mr valev "what do youcall "speed" bit he prefers to be
> the first.
> He hopes to discover something and to be the king of the world.
> 
> Thank you mr Uri
> Go on
> 
> salutations mat�rialistes
> Yanick Toutain
> Everyone must read the chapter on the absolute time !
> http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/index.htm

Both phemonalism and Newtoniasm propose trancendentally real objects, 
(things in themselves) whether as phenomena or as spatiotemporal objects.