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On Jan 22, 2:44 am, "Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Max Keon wrote:
> >>>> The CMBR began its journey in a VERY redshifted state and has
> >>>> been progressively redshifted along the way by the expansion.
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> >>>> Do you understand now why the CMBR would be almost impossible to
> >>>> detect in a big bang universe ?
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> >>> You are a bleeding moron. The CMBR has been detected many times over
> >>> the past 40 years.
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> >> Yes, it has. But what is detected today requires that spectral
> >> line frequencies generated when the CMBR was first transmitted
> >> be exactly what they are when generated in today's environment.
> >> That's hardly likely when the mass of the entire universe was
> >> within, at most, 10000000 * 2 light years of everything.
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> >> Can't you see that?
> > Your argument would be more meaningful if you had a calculation
> > supporting it. Especially if the argument wasn't that we cannot
> > possibly be observing what has been routinely observed.
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> I routinely observe the Sun going around the Earth every day and
> I can draw all kinds of conclusions from this. But when the
> complete picture is taken into account, I know that the Earth is
> simply revolving on its axis.
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> On the other hand, you can routinely observe a fairly uniform
> radiation arriving from all directions, and you conclude that
> this was generated at the time when the universe first became
> transparent. But you have constructed a complete picture to suit
> your needs. You have chosen to ignore the VERY OBVIOUS fact that
> (if the initial expansion was at the speed of light), all matter
> in the universe was within 300000 light years of the big bang,
> or within 600000 light years of every scrap of matter that
> existed, and that represents a gigantic gravity well compared
> with the universe today.
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> Every natural oscillator is affected by every bit of matter in
> the universe. If the mass of the currently visible universe is
> i.e. 5e+56 kilograms, and all of that mass resided in a thin
> shell at the visible extremes, at a 13 billion light year radius,
> or 1.23e+26 meters, clock running speed is  t' = t/(G*M/(c^2*r))
>  t' = 3.32e-4 of what it would be in a universe where only the
> clock exists.

When you learn to stop pulling equations out of your ass, let me know
and this can continue.

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