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Eric Gisse wrote:

> On Jan 17, 1:25 pm, "Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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>>>>>>So what would the CMBR look like now? It would be virtually
>>>>>>impossible to detect, wouldn't it!
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>>>>The CMBR began its journey in a VERY redshifted state and has
>>>>been progressively redshifted along the way by the expansion.
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>>>>Do you understand now why the CMBR would be almost impossible to
>>>>detect in a big bang universe ?
>>>
>>>You are a bleeding moron. The CMBR has been detected many times over
>>>the past 40 years.
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>>Yes, it has. But what is detected today requires that spectral
>>line frequencies generated when the CMBR was first transmitted
>>be exactly what they are when generated in today's environment.
>>That's hardly likely when the mass of the entire universe was
>>within, at most, 10000000 * 2 light years of everything.
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>>Can't you see that?
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> Your argument would be more meaningful if you had a calculation
> supporting it. Especially if the argument wasn't that we cannot
> possibly be observing what has been routinely observed.



We know what we are observing. Without offering
support for any one underlying theory over another,
I say that we have merely plugged CMBR into the
current working theories about the universe rather
than looking seriously outside the current popular
box.

So to clarify:

We know what we are observing and we *think* we
know what that means.

One rather large issue in science is to consider
alternative theories, realizing that we're not
all that far away from having given up the idea
of a steady state universe.

Cranks abound, that's for sure. Which of them, if
any, is a modern day Galileo? Alas, our lives are
too short.

I am not satisfied with the present explanation of
CMBR (along with a lot of other things.) This
forum is not the place to settle such issues nor
will I engage anyone on the matter lest some of
you take the equivalent position of a Father Grassi
as several participants in sci newsgroups are so
fond of doing. (Trust me, that is not a career
builder.)



>>>>But if spectral lines were generated on the same principle as
>>>>i.e. gamma rays from radioactive iron, they would begin their
>>>>post CMBR journey in a VERY blueshifted state and, through the
>>>>expansion, would be redshifted back toward how they appear here
>>>>in the present.
>>
>>>>Some X-ray stars are going to confuse the hell out of you.
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>>>>Max Keon
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