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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Max Keon wrote:
>> Eric Gisse wrote:
>>> Max Keon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So what would the CMBR look like now? It would be virtually
>>>> impossible to detect, wouldn't it!
>>>
>>> ...you have got to be shitting me.
>>
>> Perhaps stepping through these excerpts from my previous post
>> may help you understand.
>>
>>>> Spectral lines are generated on the same principle as the Caesium
>>>> driven atomic clock, displaying gravitational redshift,
>>
>> Meaning that spectral lines generated from the natural harmonics
>> of the charge structure of any molecule, slows with increasing
>> depth into a gravity well, which is exactly how the Caesium atom
>> charge configuration that drives an atomic clock behaves.
>>
>>>>      so the
>>>> early universe would be redshifted enormously. And that would not
>>>> be an illusion.
>>
>> The matter housed in the early universe was much closer together
>> than it is today, wasn't it? So spectral lines would have been
>> redshifted enormously at the time, wouldn't they?
>>
>> Even if our perception of time is directly linked to redshift so
>> that locally generated spectral lines and clock frequencies are
>> always of the same relative proportions, that wouldn't change
>> how we currently (today) perceive the universe 13 billion years
>> ago when the CMBR was first transmitted. Would it?
>>
>>>> Now get this part clear in your head. When we look back 13
>>>> billion years in time we are looking at an expanded early
>>>> universe that was already enormously redshifted at the time.
>>
>> Atomic clocks have proven beyond doubt that they run slower
>> in a gravity well, and the rate of change is equal to the
>> frequency change rate of atomic spectral lines. If there was no
>> expansion, spectral lines from the CMBR era could not possibly
>> start off as they appear today.

That last sentence is rather confusing. It's supposed to mean
that atomic spectral lines generated when the CMBR was first
transmitted would have been extremely low frequency compared with
the same spectral lines generated in today's environment.

>>>> So what would the CMBR look like now? It would be virtually
>>>> impossible to detect, wouldn't it!
>>
>> The CMBR began its journey in a VERY redshifted state and has
>> been progressively redshifted along the way by the expansion.
>>
>> Do you understand now why the CMBR would be almost impossible to
>> detect in a big bang universe ?

> You are a bleeding moron. The CMBR has been detected many times over
> the past 40 years.

Yes, it has. But what is detected today requires that spectral
line frequencies generated when the CMBR was first transmitted
be exactly what they are when generated in today's environment.
That's hardly likely when the mass of the entire universe was
within, at most, 10000000 * 2 light years of everything.

Can't you see that?

>> But if spectral lines were generated on the same principle as
>> i.e. gamma rays from radioactive iron, they would begin their
>> post CMBR journey in a VERY blueshifted state and, through the
>> expansion, would be redshifted back toward how they appear here
>> in the present.
>>
>> Some X-ray stars are going to confuse the hell out of you.
>>
>> -----
>>
>> Max Keon