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Article #16309Re: Pound Rebka
From: Max Keon
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:45
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:45
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3d00832e-aaab-4322-b3d2-bbbbbe9ef0ee@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 8, 5:25 pm, "Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: --- >> So there's really no way to accommodate the stretching >> wavelengths. Even a change in the speed of light isn't going to >> help because that changes, only once, the number of waves that >> can fit over the tower height. From there on, whatever is the >> frequency generated at the tower base, is going to be _exactly_ >> the same frequency as that passing by the tower top. >> >> That experiment would demolish the integrated Sach-Wolfe effect, >> along with the accursed big bang theory. > It is just gravitational redshift. Jeeeezee... The Integrated Sach-Wolfe Effect is entirely dependent on how the results from the Pound and Rebka experiment are interpreted, but that interpretation can't be right. The GPS system proves beyond doubt that an atomic clock driven by a Caesium atom oscillator runs slower nearer the Earth, yet the Pound-Rebka experiment proves that an atomic clock driven by the gamma ray generated by radioactive iron would run faster. In either case the frequency generated at the source is all that's changing. Neither of those options can prove anything because, from a fixed source, if there is a change in frequency with altitude, that wave pattern will be set in the very first transmission to the receiver. The same number of waves as were generated must pass by the receiver in each second. So the Integrated Sach-Wolfe Effect is entirely hypothetical. There is no evidence whatever to support it. Then take both clocks back to the enormous concentration of matter in the early universe. The Caesium clock would all but stop, while the iron clock would run very fast. But neither clock supports the big bang theory. Spectral lines are generated on the same principle as the Caesium driven atomic clock, displaying gravitational redshift, so the early universe would be redshifted enormously. And that would not be an illusion. Now get this part clear in your head. When we look back 13 billion years in time we are looking at an expanded early universe that was already enormously redshifted at the time. So what would the CMBR look like now? It would be virtually impossible to detect, wouldn't it! >> If I had an atomic clock I would do the experiment myself. It's >> so damn simple. And the result is so damn obvious. >> >> http://members.optusnet.com.au/maxkeon/the1-1a.html >> is the universe in which we all exist. The sooner you all accept >> that fact the sooner we can get on with the job, whatever it is. ----- Max Keon
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