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Re: Pound Rebka

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From: mluttgens
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:11
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On Jan 10, 12:00 am, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2:09 pm, mluttg...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
>
> > On Jan 9, 4:59 pm, Dono <sa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 9, 6:35 am, mluttg...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
>
> > > > Photons have no *rest* mass, but to their energy E = hNu
> > > > corresponds a (pseudo if you prefer) mass m = E/c^2.
>
> > > Says who? The Marcel imbecile.
>
> > You are the imbecile:
>
> >http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/light_mass.html
>
> > What is the meaning of the equation E=mc2?
>
> "The short answer is NO"
>
> How stupid are you? Really? No, don't answer that.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > >I said and demonstrated that GR is not needed to explain
> > > >the P&R result.
>
> > > No Marcel, your "prediction" is different from what GR predicts (and
> > > Pound Rebka confirms)
>
> > > The GR prediction is that the frequencies at the top and bottom of the
> > > tower will be in the ratio:
>
> > > f_top/f_bottom=sqrt((1-2G*M/R*c^2)/(1-2G*M/(R+d)c^2))
>
> > > Now , Marcel, procve that your simplistic formula predicts the same as
> > > the GR correct formula. Since you are an idiotic numerologist this
> > > should be right up your alley and should keep you busy for a while :-)
>
> > When the difference of gravitational potential
> > between the top and the bottom of the tower is taken
> > into consideration, my formula becomes
>
> > Shift obtained from a photon mass of h*Nu/c^2 and
> > potential energy for a signal emitted from the summit
> > of a tower of 100 m:
> > Shift = G * Me / c ^ 2 * (1 / Re - 1 / d), where d is the
> > Earth's radius Re + 100 m
> > Shift = 1.090782E-14
>
> Why do you lie, Marcel? Work off the GR formula I gave you, not off
> what you PRETEND your formula to be

So, according to you, Baez is stupid!

Btw, your GR shift
sqrt((1-2G*M/R*c^2)/(1-2G*M/(R+d)c^2)) - 1
(don't forget -1 if you want a shift) is the shift observed
by an somebody situated at the top of the tower, whereas
my GR shift (where d = R + height of the tower)
sqrt(1 - 2 G*M / (c ^ 2*d)) / sqrt(1-2G M / (c ^
2*R)) - 1
is the shift observed at the bottom of the tower
(like in the P&R experiment).

Iow, your GR shift is the inverse of my GR shift!
You are really stupid.

Bye,

Marcel Luttgens
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Subject: Re: Pound Rebka
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