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Article #16371Re: Pound Rebka
From: John C. Polasek
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:51
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:51
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On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:42:29 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote: >"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:30d40ddf-3af0-4765-9287-ca83ba2b25a5@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> >Mitch Raemsch aka BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote: >Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity. >Light is redshifted on its way out. >> >Pentcho Valev wrote: >Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly: >< http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp > ... >... since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the >Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der >Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the >gravitational potential. One can find his calculation in his paper. >The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational >potential relative to the point where the measurement is >taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL >REDSHIFT FACTOR." >> >Pentcho Valev wrote: >Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL >REDSHIFT obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent >with Einstein's 1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook >formula: --- frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength) >>> >"Max Keon" <maxk...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >In 1960, using the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded >in measuring the extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14) >of frequency of the ** y-rays ** emitted by a sample of radioactive iron >when it was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower >74 feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the >relativity prediction within 5%." >According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2) >V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is: >G = 6.67E-11 >M = 5.97E+24 >ra = 6378000 Tower base radii >rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high) >Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118 >Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427 >> >[Eric Gisse] >Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force. >[snip remaining] >> >[hanson] >It is not very clear what Potential *energy* Eric is talking about >and for that matter what force. When I look at Eric's equation of >Potential energy = GM/r where presumably G = L^3*M^-1*T^-2 >then Eric's Potential energy becomes a phenomenon, an event, >with the dimension of L^2/T^2, a squared velocity, which is as >mysterious as are Keon's "y-rays"... but both of which appear >to produce a mutual benefit for the mysterious term of "idiot". >Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahahaha... ahahahanson > > I'll just add this so you don't make such an ass of yourself. The potential energy MG/4 is equal to V^2/2 terminal velocity if dropped from infinity to R. John Polasek
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