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> Well, the rest may prove more interesting:
> Up to here.... I have to say I've read
> better fairy tales.
>
> > Dave Nelson
>
> Ricky was more likable. Sorry.
>
> SDR

Oh, nothing to be sorry for.  It was just something I read in an old book, a
best seller.  Just looked at it in a bright light.  Wouldn't even have
mentioned it if I hadn't run across it in this newsgroup, alt.sci.physics.

Yeah, Ricky was more likeable.  Got laid much more often than I did.  He had
this magnetism that attracted people.

Dave Nelson


"SDR" <rodrian@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
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> "Dave Nelson" <wehicanno@spambellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > That was put forth so eloquently.  Mispelled words and all.
> >
> > What caught my notice, though, was the reference to the Holocaust and
guilt,
> > etc.  I can understand a people's resentment to attempts at their
> > extermination, and the advantages to using such to advantage.  I'm sure
the
> > Philistines and others would do the same if they were still around to
> > enlighten the world.  Great example of using leverage.
> >
> > Here is another great example of using leverage to ones advantage.
> >
> > All surviving Western religions are derived from the very same event.  A
> > goat herder came in from the desert one day and said God talked to him,
and
> > chose him and his heirs to be masters of the earth.  So this goat
herder,
> > with his uncommonly beautiful wife, headed for the largest kingdom
around.
> > When he gets there, he tells his wife "Tell them you are my sister.".
So
> > she did, and because of her looks, she gets a job in the big honchos'
harem.
> > Understand this guy had his pick of millions.
> >
> > After a period of time, the goat herder comes knocking on the Pharoah's
> > door, acting all hurt that Pharoah was screwing his old lady.  Pharoah
> > expressed surprise, and exclaimed that he didn't know, and why didn't
he(the
> > goat herder) apprise his(Pharoah's) employment agent of such.  To which
the
> > herder replied that he thought he would be killed.  To this Pharoah
replied
> > that was BS, no such thing would have happened, now he understood where
the
> > diseases came from, and take this money and get the hell out of my
country.
> > Perhaps giving wealth was cheaper than killing, or Pharoah appreciated a
> > good snookering.
> >
> > So this herder, with his new found and very substantial wealth, packs up
and
> > leaves for the next kingdom.  With his wife.
> >
> > Thinking hard at how well that worked out, when they arrived at the
border
> > of the next kingdom he turned around to his old lady and said "Tell them
you
> > are my sister".
> >
> > The rest is history.
>
>
> re:
>
> > "S D Rodrian" <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> > news:bf7b874e.0205071122.7600c280@posting.google.com...
> > > "saurus" <saurus@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<8YPB8.5322$b5.17732@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
> > > > Sorry for asking,
> > >
> > > No need for apologies: If you do not ask
> > > I will not be able to improve your ignorance.
> > >
> > > > but what relevance has physics.sdrodrian.com with your
> > > > post?
> > >
> > > 1) physics.sdrodrian.com = my web site
> > > 2) post authored by me = my post
> > >
> > > 1 + 2 = 4  (Okay, I was never good at math
> > >                but please note term "my" above)
> > >
> > > > I am surprised as physics is a real science.
> > >
> > > Somebody pulling your leg (off: look around the room
> > > for it... while you're searching for the comma you ate):
> > >
> > > Modern physics is BOTH science and delusion...
> > > honesty and trickery... technology & sleigh-of-hand:
> > >
> > > Many people who think they're scientists speculate
> > > away "their entire lives the whole day long" on what
> > > physical attributes "time" might yield (when "time" only
> > > has existence inside the human head and not physic-ally):
> > >
> > > The universe is composed of any number of (very, very
> > > loosely) related individual "motions" and over the years
> > > humans have gotten into the habit of "timing" one "motion"
> > > against  "another motion" ... and "another motion" ... and
> > > "another motion" (just to complicate matters and drive
> > > each other crazy). But you can see that what significance
> > > the differences in velocities between a couple of "motions"
> > > here & there across the universe might have to the whole
> > > universe... is rather of insignificant significance at best!
> > >
> > > And yet there are entire physics departments even now
> > > rather unpenuriously engaged in coaxing the effects that
> > > "time" may have on "space" (which is not the mere absence
> > > of matter, mind you)... coaxing them out of sacred numbers
> > > with all the straight-faced earnestness with which the ancient
> > > Egyptian priesthood once tried to do exactly the same thing
> > > and for exactly the same purpose (namely, so they wouldn't
> > > have to do any "real" work in this world, God bless them).
> > >
> > > Some of them are actually trying to "figure" out techniques
> > > for testing the pros/cons of "time-travel" when I have time
> > > and time again explained to them that in a universe NOT of
> > > "time" but of "motions" (that's "changes" by any other name):
> > > the Past, the Present, and the Future are all Right Here Now
> > > (all they are is different "con-figure-ations"). [Even the entire
> > > lifetime of a hydrogen atom is ONE motion, recognized as
> > > such by this definition. And "The Past" is no more than one
> > > shape of the Tinkertoy bones... which, had we the memory,
> > > tools, and dexterity... anybody could reproduce at any time
> > > ... and thereby "travel back" TO whatever time "be wished."]
> > >
> > > But, no: The Great Apes of the modern physics establishment
> > > yet insist on speculating over exactly how to travel back IN
> > > time... in spite of the fact that all they really need to do is to
> > > ask Superman to fly around the earth against its rotation and
> > > BANG! fetch them a dinosaur or some other pet from the past!
> > >
> > > "Yes," they tell me: "But Superman isn't real, is he, old boy."
> > > ... all the time by poor head goes into a spin of double-takes:
> > >
> > > "And TIME is?" I ask, dumbfounded... and quite dizzy.
> > >
> > > "Of course, old boy," they insist: "All we have to do is bend
> > > space and we'll be zipping back/forth through Time in no
> > > time at all, you know! Simplest thing in the world."
> > >
> > > "Just a matter of taking hold of space and bending it, eh?"
> > > Say I.
> > >
> > > "Now you're hit the hammer right on the nail, old boy!"
> > > Say they.
> > >
> > > "Say," I say: "Exactly how much are you guys pulling down
> > > on this job?"
> > >
> > > "We'd really hate to tell you. Let's just 'say' that the pile of
> > > lettuce is... bigger than a bread box. And leave it at that."
> > >
> > > >One can not denay law of action
> > > > and reaction.
> > >
> > > One can denay anything one wants two.
> > > (Ooooops, I misspelled a word there.)
> > > As long as one is willing/able to pay the fine.
> > >
> > > > I am not sure you do.
> > >
> > > Yes. I am sure I do 2.
> > >
> > > > Regards
> > >
> > > Funny you should say that.
> > > (I find humor where I find it.)
> > >
> > > S D Rodrian
> > > poems.sdrodrian.com
> > > physics.sdrodrian.com
> > >
> > > re:
> > >
> > > > "S D Rodrian" <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:bf7b874e.0205062153.23435c65@posting.google.com...
> > > > > "John Anderson" <arar@iname.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:<ab6606$d46$00$1@news.t-online.com>...
> > > > > > S D Rodrian <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:bf7b874e.0205051806.17ca84a4@posting.google.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Truthfully, I do not know for a fact whether it is
> > > > > > > the Americans or the Europeans who are better informed.
> > > > > > > But I do know (for a fact) that the Holocaust WAS
> > > > > > > an European and not an American phenomenon. Make of that
> > > > > > > what you will.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I was still unborn when the Holocaust occurred,
> > > > > > I can make very little of
> > > > > > that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incredible how every firstgrader on the planet
> > > > > shares the identical excuse for their Fs in history!
> > > > > (Upon reaching the second grade they usually
> > > > > switch to: "Who killed Lincoln?" ... "I have an alibi."
> > > > > Say, exactly how young are you? Oh, well... since
> > > > > you may be too young to have a library card, here
> > > > > are just a couple of URLs which might bring a tiny
> > > > > sparkle of enlightenment into your dark little mind:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-trc.org/samuels.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/?010312onar_on-line_gross
> > > > >
> > > > > > In addition I come from a country that was later specifically
> > > > > > commended by the government of Israel for its impeccable WW II
> >  policy
> > > > > > regarding the Jews.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, since the Israelis recently commended GERMANY
> > > > > for facing up to its citizens' role in the Holocaust... I am
> > > > > not surprised they might've also praised many other countries
> > > > > ... Peru?... Uganda?... Argentina--?...
> > > > >
> > > > > > The Holocaust was a Nazi German-Austrian, not a European
> > > > > > phenomenon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Millions of Polish Jews who are not here today
> > > > > might disagree with you (most of them turned over
> > > > > to the SS by Poles). This is also true in "most, most
> > > > > liberal" France. And in Italy, most of all in Austria, no
> > > > > less than in most of the low countries, and to some
> > > > > extent up in your neck of the northern archipelago,
> > > > > horrifically so in the EUROPEAN parts of the former
> > > > > Soviet Union... where many locals actually joined
> > > > > the SS in hunting down Jews--To this day many
> > > > > commentators remain puzzled over what could have
> > > > > kept Spain's Franco from participating/cooperating
> > > > > in the European Holocaust. Frankly, I really don't know
> > > > > which toilet you've managed to have lived your whole
> > > > > life up to now with your head plunged into it, but... do
> > > > > try to pluck it out of there: It's never too late, you know.
> > > > >
> > > > > > At least we Scandinavians repudiate all guilt.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are in good company, trust me: Most former
> > > > > SS and Nazi-sympathizing Europeans found, to their
> > > > > dying day, that there really was nothing to be ashamed
> > > > > about... over their roles in the European Holocaust
> > > > > --which apparently was all carried out by a single person:
> > > > > der Fuhrer personally, and apparently with no help from
> > > > > even G�ring (... well, perhaps Himmler drove the get-
> > > > > away car).
> > > > >
> > > > >  [The story(ies) of Europeans who risked their lives
> > > > >   to save handfuls of Jews here and there (very few of
> > > > >   them in Germany/Austria, I'm sorry to say because I
> > > > >   have some German ancestors)... stand out primarily
> > > > >   for their uniqueness, their utter, utter rarity. ]
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather, mull this thoroughly: "All that is required for
> > > > > Evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." This is,
> > > > > or well damn ought to be, the best (and probably the
> > > > > ONLY) argument really needed to fully explain the
> > > > > 20th Century European Holocaust of Jews and others.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And although I'm
> > > > > > no particular friend of the Teutons, I think it's about time to
stop
> > > > > > accusing post-war Germans of a crime that a very small fraction
of
> >  their
> > > > > > grandfathers' generation actually committed.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Those who forget the lessons of history
> > > > > are condemned to repeat them." --George Santayana
> > > > >
> > > > > > Of course the Holocaust must
> > > > > > *not* be forgotten, but stop blaming a whole continent's present
> >  population
> > > > > > for it!
> > > > >
> > > > > It's always a nifty quip, yours. However, the sad truth is that
> > > > > it's usually applied to those of us who raise the occasional
> > > > > protest to... those who criminally claim that the Holocaust
> > > > > was "just some little incident perpetrated by a couple of
> > > > > bad boys--over there" (even as you yourself have now done
> > > > > in this very post) or that it never really happened at all... even
> > > > > when it occurred in a "modern" era when documentation was,
> > > > > in historical terms as well as any other terms one would care
> > > > > to frame this: staggering (and that's putting it mildly).
> > > > >
> > > > > S D Rodrian
> > > > > poems.sdrodrian.com
> > > > > physics.sdrodrian.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > J A'son
> > > > > >
> > > > > > P.S. I skipped the original subject line due to its lack of
meaning
> >  and
> > > > > > relevance ('Finally Israel is going to kill the Palestinian
> >  Authority')
> > > > >
> > > > > Meaning: The murdering Palestinian Authority, which
> > > > > like all unrepentant murders ought to be killed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Relevance: I believe that's what we were talking about.
> > >
> > > ***