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"S D Rodrian" <sdr@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:bf7b874e.0112060748.74c6b35d@posting.google.com...
> Albert Reingewirtz <albert@nethere.com> wrote in message
> news:<albert-618639.06134205122001@corp.supernews.com>...
> > In article <bf7b874e.0112041912.334e2ada@posting.google.com>,
> >  sdr@sdrodrian.com (S D Rodrian) wrote:
> >
> >> vaelynphi@aol.com (Vaelyn Phi) wrote in message
> >> news:<20011203230158.10454.00000624@mb-co.aol.com>...
> >>> I think you've mistakenly applied to Islam what is a disease to all
large
> >>> religions in the world.  I mean, hell, it's not like Muslims are the
only
> >>> people who around killing non-Muslims.  (Think "Crusades!")
> >>
> >> To date the victims of Islam amount to 60 million human souls
> >> and growing. Whatever else, all other evil that has ever been
> >> attributed to organized groups, ALL OF IT PUT TOGETHER, by Nazis
> >> and Genghis Khan -and ALL OF IT- pale in comparison. 'Nough said.
> >>
> >> S D Rodrian
> >> poems.sdrodrian.com
> >> physics.sdrodrian.com
> >
> > Where did you get those startling numbers.
>
> From historical records (most startling of all: even from
>
> [such as http://www.hinduunity.com/ayodhya/asuraevidence.html ]
>
> Islamic historians, for some of whom the numbers of the victims
> are something to boast about--As if one were listening to
> Nazi historians tally up the number of murdered Jews... of
> course, the Islamic historians did not look at it from our
> present kind human perspective but from their very unkind
> and inhuman one): This is beginning to change, of course...
> as one can see from the stubborn fight the Turks put up
> trying to deny that their Armenian genocide (add upwards to
> as many as a million and a half victims to the tally of
> Islamic genocide), to deny that it ever even took place...
> something they STILL deny to this day even after the entire
> European community of nations issued a "universal" declaration
> that it DID take place. Here's one link on what Jihad is:

So by that logic, Christianity carries an even greater death toll...
hundreds of thousands killed by the romans in the nearly non-stop warfare of
the Christian Roman era, the continual slaughter all around the borders of
the Eastern Empire after the split, the Huns, the Mongol Hoardes (who WERE
christians afterall), the Crusades (where Saracens killed mostly soldiers,
and Europeans killed more villagers than enemy soldiers... by both side's
accounts), Europe in general (where there has almost NEVER been peace), and
then to top it all off we have the Nazi's and even Stalin's purges (he
wasn't christian, but much of his country was).

Also your numbers sound highly inflated.  The areas that the muslims
captured weren't usually all that well defended OR populated, and unlike
"chivilrous" Europeans, the muslims didn't usually make a habit of killing
people in the towns they took... they wanted converts, not a deathtoll.
They were NOT particularly kind, but they were very often less savage.  And
again, consider that most of the muslim incursions occured during periods of
extreme post-plague depopulation in europe, which makes a high deathtoll
even harder to believe.  AND... the areas that were fought over or captured
never seemed to suffer or be as decimated as you make them out to be.

I can name very few religions that cannot be accused of wrongdoing...  and I
can't name ANY major ones if you count it's practicioner's acts as crimes of
that religion.  But... you're hatred for muslims (don't worry, I'm not one)
makes it a little too easy for you to stretch facts into something you like.
I'm also assuming you're no christian, because it's ironic for what is
potentially the most violent, aggressive, and rapacious religion (judged by
the nations that follow it, not by the faith itself - a distinction you fail
at repeatedly) to accuse another (who's hands are nearly as bloody) of it's
own crimes.

It's people like you, on both sides, that have caused much of the suffering
you listed.  You don't have to agree with anyone's faith or politics, just
live with the difference.