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Article #3985Re: TIME HAS INERTIA, ABIAN replies to CHALOUX
From: Dave Chaloux
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:18
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:18
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Abian replies: > chaloux@mandolin.mitre.org (Dave Chaloux) writes: > > >I think there is at least one case where this is wrong. To be specific, > >elementary particles decay under no provocation whatsoever. Thus you have > >change without provocation and you have a tendency over time to change > >rather than to stay the same. > > What provokes an elementary particles to decay - is exactly the > annoying tendency of TIME to stay still and maintain its status quo. > So, the elementary particle is annoyed with the stubbornness of TIME and > supplies energy to PUSHM TIME FORWARD - and hence the elementary particle > DECAYS, and TIME MOVES FORWARD. There are a number of problems with this reply. 1) You maintain that time has inertia. You say it takes energy to move time forward. Energy is not conserved in your equation over time (the energy used to move time forward is lost). Here you say that the energy is supplied by radioactive decay. However, energy is conserved in this decay. In otherwords, no energy is left over to move time forward. 2) By saying the above, you have destroyed the ability of your theory to make predictions. This is required for it to be in the realm of science. If something changes, it can always be explained as due to the stubbornness of time. If it stays the same it can always be explained as maintaining the status quo. Thus any eventuality can be explained. It might be said that the ability to explain any eventuality is the mark of a great theory. Not so. What you now need in order to make predictions that can be tested to verify the theory is some way of deciding ahead of time when the stubbornness of time will act as a provoker and when it will not. Without such a way of deciding you may be able to always explain things after the fact but you cannot make predictions that can be tested. Unless you can make predictions that can be tested, your theory is not science. This doesn't mean it isn't true. It does mean it isn't science. If it isn't science, it doesn't belong is sci.physics. I am not trying to start a flame war with you. I am trying to show you that what you have proposed either has problems with science, or by fixing it in such a way that it no longer has problems, you have removed it from the realm of science. Again, just because it isn't science doesn't necessarily make it wrong. Historical "facts" are not science either and can be true. Debating them in sci.physics would be a good way to get people irate. Now if you can give a way of discriminating ahead of time when time will act as a provoker and when it will not, your theory might have predictive ability again.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!decwrl!netsys!agate!linus!linus.mitre.org!mandolin!chaloux From: chaloux@mandolin.mitre.org (Dave Chaloux) Subject: Re: TIME HAS INERTIA, ABIAN replies to CHALOUX Message-ID: <1992Nov5.171801.29589@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Nntp-Posting-Host: mandolin.mitre.org Reply-To: chaloux@mandolin.mitre.org (Dave Chaloux) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va References: <abian.719871408@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu> <1992Oct30.220442.28764@linus.mitre.org> <abian.720678509@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu> <1992Nov3.174356.26855@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:18:01 GMT Lines: 50