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Article #3998Re: Standard QM rules out FTL correlation signals, simplest proof.
From: Mcirvin
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:34
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:34
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bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes: >In article <1d1tk9INNsk8@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes: >>svetlich@math.rutgers.edu (George Svetlichny) writes: >>: Thus standard QM does not allow for correlation signals between commuting >>: observables. Space-like separated observables commute, so there are no >>: correlation signals between them *at all*, be they superluminal, luminal, >>: or subluminal. >> >>How are conservation laws enforced? >Spottily. Or, if you go to a covariant formulation of relativistic QM (so that the spottiness in all genuine conservation laws disappears), the answer is "locally." Conserved quantities have densities and currents which obey a local continuity equation: increase in stuff within a local region is equal to the total inflow of current, and likewise for flow the other way. No nonlocal dynamics are necessary. Now, these quantities are quantum-mechanical operators, so you might say that putting a system into a superposition of states with different distributions of the conserved stuff requires a nonlocal effect when a measurement occurs. What George Svetlichny means is that such nonlocal effects don't allow you, for instance, to manipulate an observable over there by measuring one over here, since by spacelike commutation, probabilities for values of the one over there are independent of whether or not the measurement over here has happened yet. > "The owls are not what they seem." > -A giant. Of course, we don't know what Garland Briggs knows about this. -- Matt McIrvin
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc8!mcirvin From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Standard QM rules out FTL correlation signals, simplest proof. Message-ID: <mcirvin.720984894@husc8> Date: 5 Nov 92 17:34:54 GMT Article-I.D.: husc8.mcirvin.720984894 References: <Oct.29.14.32.32.1992.11090@math.rutgers.edu> <1d1tk9INNsk8@network.ucsd.edu> <1992Nov2.012218.27459@ichips.intel.com> Lines: 36 Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu