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Article #4019Re: What's a manifold?
From: John C. Baez
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 21:37
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 21:37
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Vaughan Pratt writes: >The only arbitrariness in my definition is the choice of neighborhood >of the manifold and its retraction onto the manifold. No chopping, no >charts. > >Furthermore my definition is a *lot* simpler, I'd say, even without >going into the notion of smooth coordination required to define an >atlas. > >There has to be some other reason why the complicated notion of atlas >is essential. Well, yes, and I just explained a couple. I should note that usually one takes a maximal atlas, which eliminates any arbitrariness in the atlas. But to be general about it: it's just bad taste to define a certain kind of mathematical object as being "a subobject of X with properties..." when it frequently, indeed typically, arises in contexts where it is NOT given as a subobject of X. For example: "a group is a subset of the set of permutations of a set that is closed under taking inverses and products". Yuck! These things should be theorems, not definitions.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.math Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!riesz!jbaez From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: What's a manifold? Message-ID: <1992Nov5.213739.4045@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: riesz Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <1992Nov5.060400.14203@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <SMITH.92Nov5101553@gramian.harvard.edu> <1992Nov5.161930.21320@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 21:37:39 GMT Lines: 26