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Article #4018Re: No big crunch?
From: SCOTT I CHASE
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 18:45
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 18:45
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In article <1d9lptINN94@agate.berkeley.edu>, ted@physics3 (Emory F. Bunn) writes... >In article <1992Nov4.203930.20410@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: > I prefer pixies. >(Stuff deleted.) >I said: >>>Dark matter, in contrast, seems qualitatively to explain what's observed >>>without any completely outrageous new physics. >> >To which Dale replied: >> Except, of course, for the completely outrageous production of >> unknown matter. [...Ted's response deleted...] I would like to support Ted's comments by adding that I can't imagine any particle physicist who would argue that we have identified the complete spectrum of fundamental particles. HEP is a very young science. It's amazing, IMHO, that we have been able to arrive at any kind of synthesis in so short a time. But having achieved this with the Standard Model, we should not draw the conclusion that all that's left is dotting the i's and crossing the t's. I think that it is far from "outrageous" to speculate that there are vast amounts of "unknown", a.k.a. nonbaryonic matter in the Universe. In fact, questions of abundance aside, I regard it as likely that other forms of matter do exist. I think it would be both presumptuous and a bit naive to think that at this early stage in our understanding of the high-energy world that nothing fundamentally new will show up. Having said that, let me add that my personal guess would be that most of the dark matter is not all that exotic. I base this upon the same argument - our poor state of knowledge. I count it as almost certain that at least some of the dark matter will be identified with large lumps of normal matter - brown dwarfs, etc., and some more of it with massive (but not necessarily "heavy") neutrinos. After that, of course, there may still be something more interesting, but right now it's anybody's guess. One reason that the dark matter hypothesis is so popular is that it is so straightforward to test. Conversely, long-range modifications to GR are very messy to study in the lab. Dark matter searches, now just starting, are a natural extension of our decades long experience with cosmic ray physics - looking up into the sky to search for particles raining down on us. Much of what we know about particle physics comes from this avenue of research. The possibility that dark matter dominates the Universe has reminded physicists that we have never really studied "cosmic ray" physics with the kind of completeness that it deserves. We have almost completely ignored the possibility of weakly interacting particles in the cosmic radiation. We have been entirely preoccupied with charged particles, which are easily studied using emulsions and plastics. Now we have embarked on a program to search for other types of particles, which if successful will surely revolutionize particle physics, even if the things that are found end up having no significance in explaining galactic rotation curves and other problems with large scale gravitation. -Scott -------------------- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell, SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV although I have no right to say so, having been a single cell so long ago myself that I have no memory at all of that stage of my life." - Lewis Thomas
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!decwrl!ames!agate!overload.lbl.gov!dog.ee.lbl.gov!csa2.lbl.gov!sichase From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: No big crunch? Followup-To: sci.physics Date: 5 Nov 1992 10:45 PST Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 64 Distribution: world Message-ID: <5NOV199210450757@csa2.lbl.gov> References: <1992Nov4.134438.27968@sei.cmu.edu> <1d99kkINNqu7@agate.berkeley.edu> <1992Nov4.203930.20410@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <1d9lptINN94@agate.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41