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Article #4087Solid-state doesn't use QED! (Was Re: Particle Research)
From: Alison Chaiken
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 04:43
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 04:43
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music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes: >In article <gewIg2C00WBL01w4Qz@andrew.cmu.edu>, Paul Karol <pk03+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes... >>A distinguished particle physicist not too long ago >>seriously claimed that since the electron was the first fundamental >>particle discovered, all of chemistry was beholden to particle physics. > A bit stretched, but the discovery of the electron led to QED which > led to a very much deeped understanding of solid-state physics which > spawned semi-conductors which, in turn, spawned the computer, which > makes this newsgroup possible. Am I wrong? I don't think so. You're wrong. As far as the theory of the electron goes, QED has had no impact on solid-state physics whatsoever. I have been a solid-state physicist for 10 years, and I have never never seen or heard a single reference to QED corrections to electron energy levels. Even relativistic corrections to electron-energy levels (Darwin term) are always ignored except for the actinides. It is true that an understanding of spin-orbit coupling is important to understanding energy levels in semiconductors, but this is not QED! Solid-state physics doesn't really even use the full Dirac equation, except that we are interested in the magnetic moment of the electron, which the equation explains qualitatively. The local-density theory which is used to calculate the band structure of solids is based on the Hartree-Fock theory and its elaborations by Kohn-Sham-Landau. Hartree-Fock predated Dirac. Having said all that, the theories of broken symmetry and elementary excitations (Goldstone bosons) in solid-state physics have been heavily influenced by particle theories. Here solid-state is using the _concepts_ of field theory, not the results! My understanding is that particle theories have been in turn influenced by solid-state theories (e.g., non-perturbative field theories are greatly influenced by the BCS theory of superconductivity). -- Alison Chaiken alison@wsrcc.com (510) 422-7129 [daytime] or chaiken@cmsgee.llnl.gov Look if you like, but you will have to leap.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!decwrl!decwrl!wsrcc!alison From: alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken) Subject: Solid-state doesn't use QED! (Was Re: Particle Research) Message-ID: <BxA2GC.6yE@wsrcc.com> Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA References: <gewIg2C00WBL01w4Qz@andrew.cmu.edu> <3NOV199213063917@erich.triumf.ca> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:43:23 GMT Lines: 37