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Article #4237Re: No big crunch?
From: John C. Baez
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 18:53
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 18:53
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In article <6NOV199211570602@csa1.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes: >In article <1992Nov5.212050.25373@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes... >> However, getting back on track it is silly to say that a theory that in >> some sense avoids internal inconsistency has passed some sort of >> valid scientific 'test'. It's like patting oneself on the back >> for not having assumed ii equals 3 and ii equals 5 at the same >> time. > >.... However, I assure you >that it really works that way in particle physics. Internally consistent >theories come much more easily in classical physics than in quantum field >theory. Over the fifty-odd years of particle physics history, internal >consistency has repeatedly been a useful way of discovering new physics. Let me strengthen Scott's point in a rather backhanded way. Saying that "Internally consistent theories come much more easily in classical physics than in quantum field theory" is an understatement. In fact, as I never tire of repeating, none of the quantum field theories that are used by physicists to do practical calculations have been shown to be consistent - despite huge amounts of work by very good physicists and mathematicians. So in practice one doesn't even seek (demonstrable) consistency; one simply seeks to avoid the KNOWN causes of (seeming) inconsistency - this is quite hard enough! The other curious thing is that nonrenormalizability and anomalies -- two things one tries mightily to avoid - have never been shown to lead to inconsistency in a quantum field theory; they merely indicate the failure of a certain perturbative method for doing calculations with the field theory - a perturbative method with rather shaky foundations to begin with! Of course, the word "merely" above is tongue-in-cheek, spoken like an ivory-tower mathematical physicist. Since all we have of these quantum field theories is "a certain perturbative method for doing calculations, with rather shaky foundations," anomalies or nonrenormalizability are utterly crippling at the present time. One can imagine a future in which nonlinear analysis is much more sophisticated than it is now, in which one could prove the consistency of interacting quantum field theories, perhaps even some that are nonrenormalizable or have anomalies... at this point, we can only guess.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!riesz!jbaez From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: No big crunch? Message-ID: <1992Nov7.185332.22665@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: riesz Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <5NOV199211132101@csa2.lbl.gov> <1992Nov5.212050.25373@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <6NOV199211570602@csa1.lbl.gov> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 18:53:32 GMT Lines: 39