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Article #4379Re: The size of electrons, and Fanciful misc SAGA
From: Dave Griffiths
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 15:49
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 15:49
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In article <1992Nov7.214329.24552@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes: > >The main point is that "there is no such thing as infinity" is an >extremely vague and misleading statement. Is there such a thing as a >universal Turing machine? (I've never seen one.) Is there such a thing >as the square root of minus 1? All these things are mathematical >constructs which can play an important role in modeling reality - all >three can also be misused. > Our current theories say that spacetime is infinitely subdivisable. This is a fundamental part of our model of reality. The other two examples you quote are imaginary mathematical concepts, but they are not part of the physical model itself. >Secretly, my theory about computer scientists' love of discrete physics >is that it's a still poorly-understood side-effect of staring at pixels >all day. I have long had a humorous battle with Nate Osgood over this >issue, replete with such slogans as "Wreck the rectangle!" (which I >stole from Zippy the Pinhead), "Crush the continuum!" and "Death to the >discrete!" > After a while, the implications of working with zeros and ones just start to sink in. The digitization of life has been proceeding so gradually that maybe you don't realize what a revolution we are going through. Music is now nearly all digital and most of us can't tell the difference. Occams razor might suggest that there are _no_ continuums out there. We can get by OK without 'em. Now you might argue that computers are just a tool, no big deal. But I would say that technology leading to digitization is no coincidence, rather the digitization of life _reflects_ the underlying nature of reality. Nature is trying to give us a hint. Poor old physics is still stuck in the analog nineteenth century. The whole mighty edifice has been built on sand and the tide is coming in... ;-) Dave Griffiths
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!decwrl!concert!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!mrccrc!warwick!pipex!demon!prim.demon.co.uk!dave From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: The size of electrons, and Fanciful misc SAGA Message-ID: <1992Nov8.154955.15938@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <Nov.5.18.26.40.1992.16405@ruhets.rutgers.edu> <1992Nov6.142004.9208@prim> <1992Nov7.214329.24552@galois.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:49:55 GMT Lines: 42