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On Jul 15, 4:41 pm, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The H2 comes from RAINWATER !!!
> > > Electrolysis is powered by the SUN !!!
>
> > > You don't need H2 production at night!  That's the point!  It's stored
> > > SOLAR ENERGY.
>
> > > O2 (if it's even needed) comes from the OTHER ELECTRODE
> > > produced at the same ratio that it's used for power generation.
>
> > > Herc
>
> > It has actually been better put across by William Mook (aka
> > Mokenergy), and the mainstream status-quo of forever hydrocarbons
> > hasn't bought into any of it.
>
> > Yes, H2 can become relatively cheap, though perhaps not ever as cheap
> > as offered by William Mook, and otherwise it's ideally suited for fuel-
> > cell applications, as well as for dozens of applications in
> > commercial, industrial and retail/end-use.
>
> > Supposedly the Boeing solar panel division (Spectrolab) has actually
> > broken the 100% PV efficiency by converting IR through UV, although
> > that's with a rather spendy advanced product that most of us can't
> > possibly afford.  Commercially and otherwise for space or military
> > applications they currently offer a spendy 43% efficiency factor.
> >  http://www.spectrolab.com/DataSheets/PV/pv_tech/msce.pdf
>
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>
> Yeh but the sunlight just hits the DIRT anyway!
>
> there's a million spare acres outside every city.
>
> You could use 0.00000001% efficient Solar Panels and just put up more
> of them!
>
> Sure you have to get the technology as economical as feasible 1st.
>
> This isn't a put-as-many-panels-on-your-roof-as-you-can-fit problem!
>
> If you can mass produce 5% efficient panels for 1/4 the price of 10%
> efficient panels then that's what you would use at a Power/H2 plant.
>
> Herc

Exactly correct, and I never once accepted the higher level of
conversion efficiency touted by Mokenergy, although the basic concept
of utilizing such spare/surplus land for accommodating his custom
solar collectors was never in doubt of offering a perfectly viable
clean energy alternative.  Mook's hydrogen even at twice his suggested
production cost was still a very good return on investment, not to
mention squeaky clean and renewable, other than solar farm maintenance
that would always represent a small carbon footprint.

A solar farm using 20% efficient PVs would still be a whole lot less
all-inclusive spendy than any conventional nuclear reactor, not only
per GW but per acreage once everything (aka birth-to-grave) about
conventional nuclear generated energy is taken into account.  Mass
produced PVs by China and India could do those items for as little as
$1/watt installed, and because hardly any skilled labor is necessary
once this solar farm process is set in motion is why the annual upkeep
shouldn't have to exceed 10 cents per installed watt (roughly $7.50/m2/
yr).

Once the H2 and Ox plus amounts of LH2 and LOx is made and stored it
can be further distributed and/or directly used on demand in order to
generate a great deal of clean energy via fuel-cells.

You really should compare notes with Mook, although be forewarned that
he usually has to run the whole show, taking most if not all of the
credit for the best methods of doing just about everything.  Otherwise
Mook is a relatively harmless but way better than average educated
person that only happens to come across as a know-it-all.

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