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On Jul 16, 11:25 am, Brad Guth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 4:41 pm, Graham Cooper <grahamcoop...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > > The H2 comes from RAINWATER !!!
> > > > Electrolysis is powered by the SUN !!!
>
> > > > You don't need H2 production at night!  That's the point!  It's stored
> > > > SOLAR ENERGY.
>
> > > > O2 (if it's even needed) comes from the OTHER ELECTRODE
> > > > produced at the same ratio that it's used for power generation.
>
> > > > Herc
>
> > > It has actually been better put across by William Mook (aka
> > > Mokenergy), and the mainstream status-quo of forever hydrocarbons
> > > hasn't bought into any of it.
>
> > > Yes, H2 can become relatively cheap, though perhaps not ever as cheap
> > > as offered by William Mook, and otherwise it's ideally suited for fuel-
> > > cell applications, as well as for dozens of applications in
> > > commercial, industrial and retail/end-use.
>
> > > Supposedly the Boeing solar panel division (Spectrolab) has actually
> > > broken the 100% PV efficiency by converting IR through UV, although
> > > that's with a rather spendy advanced product that most of us can't
> > > possibly afford.  Commercially and otherwise for space or military
> > > applications they currently offer a spendy 43% efficiency factor.
> > >  http://www.spectrolab.com/DataSheets/PV/pv_tech/msce.pdf
>
> > >  http://groups.google.com/groups/search
> > >  http://translate.google.com/#
> > >  Brad Guth,Brad_Guth,Brad.Guth,BradGuth,BG,Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”
>
> > Yeh but the sunlight just hits the DIRT anyway!
>
> > there's a million spare acres outside every city.
>
> > You could use 0.00000001% efficient Solar Panels and just put up more
> > of them!
>
> > Sure you have to get the technology as economical as feasible 1st.
>
> > This isn't a put-as-many-panels-on-your-roof-as-you-can-fit problem!
>
> > If you can mass produce 5% efficient panels for 1/4 the price of 10%
> > efficient panels then that's what you would use at a Power/H2 plant.
>
> > Herc
>
> Exactly correct, and I never once accepted the higher level of
> conversion efficiency touted by Mokenergy, although the basic concept
> of utilizing such spare/surplus land for accommodating his custom
> solar collectors was never in doubt of offering a perfectly viable
> clean energy alternative.  Mook's hydrogen even at twice his suggested
> production cost was still a very good return on investment, not to
> mention squeaky clean and renewable, other than solar farm maintenance
> that would always represent a small carbon footprint.
>
> A solar farm using 20% efficient PVs would still be a whole lot less
> all-inclusive spendy than any conventional nuclear reactor, not only
> per GW but per acreage once everything (aka birth-to-grave) about
> conventional nuclear generated energy is taken into account.  Mass
> produced PVs by China and India could do those items for as little as
> $1/watt installed,


it's cheap as chips!   another alternative is thin black piping like
that used
on roofs to solar heat pools.

You can collect heat from the sun very cheaply, but the peltier
devices
to get electricity from hot water would cost more than solar panels.

Or a transparent plastic cover over a shallow Lake would heat up in
only
a couple days.  Those bubble wrap pool covers are like steam baths in
summer!

Stirling Engines would only be say DELTA 30 DEGREES / 270 efficient.

My Evap Cooler Droplet Catching design was meant to get the COLD
Terminal
down an extra 10-20 degrees to double the efficiency of Solar Sterling
Stations.

Bit of a nightmare generator to build though.

http://camaffiliate.com/DRY-AIR-INTAKE.jpg

http://camaffiliate.com/INTERNAL-EVAPORATION-UNIT.jpg


G. Cooper  (BInfTech)
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