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Re: Who's 'In Climate Denial, Again'? The New York Times

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From: Surfer
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 03:27
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:18:57 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa@HotMail.com>
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>"Surfer" <no@spam.net> wrote in message 

>> The facts I have been quoting are derived from measurements.
>>
>>
>
>Mmmm
>
>Sure they are
>    Like some of the weather data that is affected by the urban environment 
>around it ?
>    Or how about some that that cherry-picked Siberian tree-ring "data'
>That's just naming two
>
Those comments don't apply to the following:

- Global mean troposphere temperature has an upward trend line
http://pielkeclimatesci.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/0710_graf.jpg?w=500&h=183

 - Arctic sea ice extent has a downward trend line
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/n_plot_hires.png

 - Antarctic mass has a downward trend line
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/20100108_Is_Antarctica_Melting.html

 - Global sea level continues to rise
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/current/sl_ib_ns_global.jpg 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Recent_Sea_Level_Rise.png

>
>    There's more of that "high-quality" data, you are referring to.
>And the you have the programs which "massage that data, to get the desired 
>conclusions
>
>Oh yeah, all that data and the programs to massage them are really of GREAT 
>source of "reliable conclusions".
>Oh wait, they're not conclusions
>    They're agenda..
>    Agenda to which the data has been massaged to fit.
>

The above data is just data.
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Subject: Re: Who's 'In Climate Denial, Again'? The New York Times
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