🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics
Article #8170

Re: Who's 'In Climate Denial, Again'? The New York Times

#8170
From: Oy rool out a carbon tax
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 23:18
57 lines
3850 bytes
Surfer wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:21:29 +1100, Oy rool out a carbon tax
> <gillard_lies@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> Surfer wrote:
>>
>>> However, the claim can also be supported by simply showing that global
>>> mean surface temperature has an upward trend line, in spite of
>>> temporary downward fluctuations. 
>> God you warmists make me laugh. If you "simply" expand the timeframe
>> back into the embarrassing centuries, the claim can be equally well
>> *dismissed* by
>>
>> "simply showing that global mean surface temperature has" a pretty flat
>> "trend line, in spite of temporary" upward "fluctuations."
>>
> Well, if after some millions of years nature converts excess CO2 in
> the atmosphere back into fossil fuel, we probably will end up with a
> "pretty flat" trend line as you desire.
> 
> In the meantime though the current upward "fluctuation" has an upward
> trend line, meaning that in the coming decades we can expect the
> harmful effects of global warming to become more apparent.

You don't have to resort to that sort of dramatic playout. Just look
back over, for instance, the last 50 centuries
http://johnstonanalytics.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/5000yrTempLarge.30585056.png
Your "upward trend line" is now revealed as one of many statistical
fluctuations, and a rather unspectacular one at that. Indeed, the
current "peaking" fits quite well with the periodicity established over
the las 50 centuries. There is nothing to suggest it will exceed any of
the previous "highs" nor be any more enduring. Even if it *does* end up
peaking higher, there's nothing to attach any causal significance to it,
nor to imply any negative effects from it.

Like I've said, try looking at the bigger picture - not just the bit
*they* want you to see, over the last few hundred years.

-- 
Labor-Green open borders plan in action...

Number of illegal aliens in detention:

Jan 2005 __________
Jul 2005 ________
Jan 2006 _________
Jul 2006 ______
Jan 2007 _____
Jul 2007 ____
Jan 2008 ____
Jul 2008 ___
Jan 2009 ___ Rudd stops TPVs
Jul 2009 __________
Jan 2010 _________________
Jul 2010 ______________________________

Where to next?
Technical Details
Message-ID: <4cd1edc8$0$17526$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!novia!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail
References: <vf1mc61qgpc1lk532rmivbhhsb2eaiu1oe@4ax.com> <Gp6dnY-jz7QchlbRnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@bright.net> <laamc6ta8nmceb2nn6ccdq1q0dqaemr0ot@4ax.com> <4ccb5259$0$316$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <pl8pc696omq07c1btce8jagl676cjr4d1j@4ax.com> <4cccf191$0$11222$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <m3vqc6tjv2ja47k6emr5aphjpeudbctf03@4ax.com> <yuqdnfrMyrM1GVDRnZ2dnUVZ_tEAAAAA@bright.net> <uue1d61hd2ikr5t38st4jjl429r0gsfh9b@4ax.com> <4cd0d538$0$25362$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <9ut2d6pnu7cahho25c3nef8rm1otmnn53l@4ax.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,573352c024c442c3
X-Google-NewGroupId: yes
X-Google-Thread: 10df0c,573352c024c442c3
X-Google-NewGroupId: yes
X-Google-Thread: fb374,573352c024c442c3
X-Google-NewGroupId: yes
X-Google-Attributes: gid54ac8f410d,gid9e5a772d74,gidf4fe430b92,domainid0,public,usenet
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!novia!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeeder.syd.optusnet.com.au!news.optusnet.com.au!not-for-mail
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:18:34 +1100
From: Oy rool out a carbon tax <gillard_lies@nowhere.com>
User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: sci.physics,aus.politics,can.politics
Subject: Re: Who's 'In Climate Denial, Again'? The New York Times
References: <vf1mc61qgpc1lk532rmivbhhsb2eaiu1oe@4ax.com> <Gp6dnY-jz7QchlbRnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@bright.net> <laamc6ta8nmceb2nn6ccdq1q0dqaemr0ot@4ax.com> <4ccb5259$0$316$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <pl8pc696omq07c1btce8jagl676cjr4d1j@4ax.com> <4cccf191$0$11222$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <m3vqc6tjv2ja47k6emr5aphjpeudbctf03@4ax.com> <yuqdnfrMyrM1GVDRnZ2dnUVZ_tEAAAAA@bright.net> <uue1d61hd2ikr5t38st4jjl429r0gsfh9b@4ax.com> <4cd0d538$0$25362$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <9ut2d6pnu7cahho25c3nef8rm1otmnn53l@4ax.com>
In-Reply-To: <9ut2d6pnu7cahho25c3nef8rm1otmnn53l@4ax.com>
X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.1
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 57
Message-ID: <4cd1edc8$0$17526$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 114.77.8.72
X-Trace: 1288826312  17526 114.77.8.72