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Article #8709Re: Quantum effects in the brain
From: Kenneth 'pawl' Collins
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:48
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 18:48
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0. Well, it's not so straight forward, but, in essence, yes. 1. I just wouldn't get caught trying to do such because the first thing any nervous system confronted with such is likely to do is 'just the opposite stuff'. 2. The difficulties derive the fact that experience is individually-unique, and given a particular experiential total, an individual still cannot predict what will occur within her/his experience in the next 'instant', as in 1., above. The 'point' that I'm working to communicate is with respect to stuff that I've been discussing in bionet.neuroscience for the better part of a decade. What nervous systems do is, more or less, create an internal 'copy' of the externally-relevant energydynamics that they've experienced. Subsequently, nervous systems use these internal energydynamics 'copies' to guide their convergence upon behaviors with respect to the then contemporaneous external environment they encounter. As in 2., above, for such to be predictable, the nervous system in question would have to be 'omniscent with respect to all possible external environments that it could encounter, which, clearly, is not the case. 3. However, what I am saying is that there's verifiably exactly zero do called 'quantum uncertainty' within the energydynamics through which nervous systems 'feel' their ways through the external energydynamics. What nervous systems do is, through experience, converge upon constructions of internal energydynamics that allow the nervous system to successfully direct behavior with respect to the energydynamics inherent in the external environment. Within such there exists exactly one 'map' of Truth. It's with respect to such that all behavior is predictable. That is, behavior will succeed, or fail, to the degree that it is in accord with Truth's one energydynamics 'map'. [Which, of course, includes stuff like the sorts of groupwise coersed consensus which takes the form of the 'nationalism' that precipitates war, groupwise prejudice that either abandons, enslaves, or slaughters folks who are not like-self, including groupwise prejudice even with respect to stuff in Physics, such as non-existent, so-called 'quantum uncertainty'.] There's a big difference between what's in 3., above, and what you've conjectured that 'I am saying'. I am not saying what you conjecture 'I am saying' [in a way that attributes the absurdity inherent in your conjecture to me, via mere association]. What I'm saying is that it's possible to converge upon 0., above, without actively invoking 'chance', even though such will be passively present. Is what's here sufficient? k.p. collins Bill Vajk wrote in message <3E1D916B.7080507@hotmail.com>... |Kenneth 'pawl' Collins wrote: | |> Physical reality, including physical reality within nervous systems |> is continuous and deterministic - there's absolutely zero |> 'uncertainty' in-there. | | |Are you suggesting that all thought is predictable? | | |William J. Vajk |Techny, Illinois |
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