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Article #8905Re: The Mann and the Hockey Stick
From: Jonesie
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:37
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:37
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On Apr 5, 2:41 pm, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@HotMail.com> wrote: > "Billy" <wildbi...@withoutta.net> wrote in message > > news:wildbilly-5076EA.21573204042012@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au... > > > > > > > > > > > In article <Y8ednQjhR_VcfOHSnZ2dnUVZ_qgAA...@giganews.com>, > > RLW <rlwatk...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:05:30 -0700, Chom Noamsky wrote: > > >> > On 3/31/2012 7:27 PM, RLW wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:18:28 -0400, Leonard wrote: > > >> >>> Abracadabra, No More Mediæval Warm Period! > > >> >>> The lies behind the failed Hockey Stick > > >> >> <yada, yada, yada> > > >> >> I'm starting to get the impression that few posting here actually know > >> >> what the "hockey stick" graph was intended to represent: runaway, > >> >> nearly limitless increase in surface temperature. > > >> >> A) We know that's wrong. > > >> >> B) We know that the troposphere is getting warmer. > > >> >> (A) does nothing to disprove (B). Indeed, (B) is something > >> >> *observed*, > >> >> not a matter open to debate. > > >> >> (B) means that a lot of weather patterns will change and a lot of ice > >> >> will melt. This doesn't mean Humanity will die off, but it will be > >> >> very damn' expensive and inconvenient for a good many folks. > > >> >> I'll hate having to explain to my grandkids that everyone stood around > >> >> debating whether it was happening instead of figuring out what impact > >> >> it will have and how to solve some of the attendant problems. > > >> > The assumption is it that warming will be all bad. How many studies > >> > have been done on the potential benefits of global warming? What it > >> > comes down to is the cost of adaption versus the cost of correction. > >> > That's assuming it can be corrected, and in the view of a substantial > >> > portion of the scientific community the results would be modest or > >> > negligible at best. > > >> > The big problem is elements of the political sphere have been trying > >> > their best to hook irrelevant agendas to climate change, and to exploit > >> > it as a tool to push things that wouldn't get backing otherwise. Get > >> > people alarmed, induce feelings of insecurity, then they'll be less > >> > resistant when it comes to unpopular causes that have little or nothing > >> > to do with climate change. > > >> > It's interesting that the Darrell Kaufman study showed climate has been > >> > experiencing a long term cooling trend, starting about 2,000 years ago, > >> > and was projected to go on another 4,000 years. Is it possible we're > >> > actually better off with a little warming? Quite possibly we've > >> > averted > >> > a future LIA... > > >> I'm not even assuming that the effects will be all bad. The first > >> benefits which come to mind are to shipping and farmers in Canada. > >> Still, > >> any sort of large-scale reorganization of society is costly, so we'd best > >> be puzzling out the details now, before it becomes an immediate problem. > > > Oh, the sweet security of innocence. > > <http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=hit-them-with-the-ho...> > > Or is that the sweet security of stupidity > Too bad that "hockey stick" is broken. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/mar/02/virginia-court-sceptic-access-climate-emails Nice try though. "Burn him! He's a witch!" LOL!
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From: Jonesie <caseyterry5959@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: The Mann and the Hockey Stick
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