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Article #8984Re: There is no "pull" of gravity, only the PUSH of flowing ether!
From: John Murphy
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 07:20
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 07:20
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On 15 May, 07:05, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 14, 8:45 pm, Timo Nieminen <t...@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote: > > On May 15, 11:14 am, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On May 14, 7:46 am, Timo Nieminen <t...@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote: > > > > > For example, double the absolute temperature of the balls; easy to do, > > > > just heat to about 330C. 16 times the radiated power, at double the > > > > peak frequency, as compared with a room temperature ball. How much > > > > larger should the gravitational force be? > > > > Send me a drawing of the relative size, weight and spacing of the > > > balls.  I can approximate the gravity, especially, if I know how close > > > the big ball is to the closest one on the beam.  There will be a more > > > pronounced gravity effect if the balls are fairly close together—like > > > six inches. > > > No, I'm not asking what should the result be in a particular Cavendish > > apparatus. I'm asking about the gravitational force between two balls, > > and how large your predicted temperature dependence is supposed to be. > > > You say: > > > > Once you get that, THEN you can > > > start doing the higher math to figure the likely increase in gravity. > > > but this is what needs to come _first_. It is very useful to have some > > idea of how large some effect you're planning to measure is. If > > somebody asks you to help measure the length of something > > (accurately), you want to know whether to bring along a long tape > > measure, a metre ruler, vernier calipers, a micrometer, or something > > else. > > > How large is your predicted effect? Given this, one can see if > > existing apparatus is sufficient, or if not, what apparatus is needed. > > > > Air turbulence will be the limiting factor for… “how > > > close”. > > > It is possible to do experiments in vacuum. Is it necessary to do the > > experiment in vacuum? Thus the question, how large is the effect > > supposed to be? > > > > Also, tell me the metal type you > > > are using, and how hot you can safely heat the entire ball.  Is 330C > > > the highest you can go? > > > Of course 330C isn't the hottest possible. 330C is double room > > temperature, convenient for giving a quantitative prediction (16 times > > radiated power, at 2 times the peak frequency). > > > If the experiment should yield a large enough effect at 330C (or even > > lower), then it might well be better to do it at a lower temperature. > > Less convection, etc. How large should the effect be at 330C? This is > > very useful information in order to determine the best temperature to > > try the experiment at. > > > Why should it take "higher math" to give a quantitative result? What > > higher math? Of course, since you yourself have spoken many times of > > your superior math skills, it shouldn't be a significant obstacle to > > you even if "higher math" is required. Even with only a fraction of > > your ability, it should be possible to do this easily enough, surely > > in less than an hour. So why not just say how large the effect is > > supposed to be? > > How does the aether push speed up in increasing strength of gravity? > > Mitch Raemsch The aether is a medium that will accommodate any postualte that suits it! -- Harbinger.
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