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"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote...
> "|-|ercules" <radgray123@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>STEP 1
>>[HERC] Subject thinks of a yes/no question of genuine (not purely test) interest.
>>[ZENNER] Tester picks one of the Zenner cards, STAR, CIRCLE, WAVY LINES, SQUARE, FISH
>>
>>
>>STEP 2
>>[HERC] Tell me a random page and line number and I'll look up the "answer".
>>[ZENNER] Look at the card and concentrate on the symbol.
>>
>>
>>STEP 3
>>[HERC] Tell me 3 yes/no questions, A B C, one of them is the original question 
>>              but you don't tell me which one it is.
>>[ZENNER] Give me a full shuffled Zenner deck including the card you were holding.
>>
>>
>>STEP 4
>>[HERC]  I tell you A, B or C.
>>[ZENNER]  I tell you STAR, CIRCLE, WAVY LINES, SQUARE or FISH.
>>
>>
>>STEP 5
>>[HERC] You mark whether I told you what your original question was, RIGHT or WRONG.
>>[ZENNER] You mark whether I told you what your original Zenner card was, RIGHT or WRONG.
>>
>>
>>STEP 6
>>[HERC] RIGHT - I broke 3:1 odds on that single trial
>>[ZENNER] RIGHT - I broke 5:1 odds on that single trial
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>Any reason Peter Bowditch (Aus Skeptics) accepts the Zenner test but says lots of Magicians
>>could cheat in my test?
> 
> I have never said that any magicians could cheat in your test. I said
> that I have seen some impressive mind reading acts.
> 
> Now that's out of the way, the two sets of tests above are not
> comparable, and the failure of your "protocol" starts at step 1, where
> you set out to give an answer to a non-question.
> 
> Put another way, the results of the Zenner card test can be verified,
> the results of your "test" depend on whether you think you have
> succeeded or not.
> 


Well at least you are now giving a reason.

Although there is no logic to support your reason.

The Zenner test uses a finite alphabet of symbols.

The Herc test uses an infinite possible amount of sentences.

That's the only difference and it doesn't matter at all.

You select one Zenner card I guess it from 5 options.
OR you select one sentence and I guess it from 3 options.

You think of a Zenner Card, and give me 5 options to choose from.
Or you think of a sentence, and give me 3 options to choose from.

There is NO DIFFERENCE in being testable.

Your explanation completely ignores and contradicts step 4 and 5.

>STEP 4
>[HERC]  I tell you A, B or C.
>[ZENNER]  I tell you STAR, CIRCLE, WAVY LINES, SQUARE or FISH.
>
>
>STEP 5
>[HERC] You mark whether I told you what your original question was, RIGHT or WRONG.
>[ZENNER] You mark whether I told you what your original Zenner card was, RIGHT or WRONG.


Exact same method, different set of objects to mind read.

Herc