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Article #5950Re: "Near Proof for Near-Death?"
From: Ian Goddard
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:51
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:51
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52232-2001Dec16.html > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1685000/1685311.stm > > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991693 The researchers seem convinced that the findings prove non-neurological experience, but I don't see how they could prove that the experiences recalled post-death recovery occurred during the period of zero neurological activity. Assuming all experience is neurologically based (which seems a reasonable assumption) the best explanation may be: as the brain was in the process of shutting down it produced unusual experiences. When I became adept in achieving lucid dreaming after practicing meditations said to facilitate such, I saw light the first times I interfaced my conscious mind into the dreaming mind. And after prolonged meditations I've seen white light. So seeing light isn't evidence of non-neuro-experience. Indeed, I'd interpret it as evidence of neuro-activity. They say before a near-death event one may see one's life history flash before the eyes. Surely that might include seeing family members, including those that recently died. So seeing dead relatives doesn't prove non-neuro-experience. Since I have yet to review the full study, I should shut up. I like the researcher's analogy of the "soul" as a TV program, which is stated in the Washington Post report linked-to above. However, I find this to be a plausible explanation for OBEs: http://IanGoddard.net/paranorm.htm The Lancet, which published the study in question, states at their wesite that the full study is free: http://www.thelancet.com/journal Scroll to: "Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands" http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol358/iss9298/full/llan.358.9298.original_research.18751.1 But it seems you still have to open a password account. http://IanGoddard.net
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f44bc,d7d60c28eab87be X-Google-Attributes: gidf44bc,public X-Google-Thread: 1045ed,d7d60c28eab87be X-Google-Attributes: gid1045ed,public X-Google-Thread: f88c3,d7d60c28eab87be X-Google-Attributes: gidf88c3,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-17 12:49:01 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: igoddard@erols.mom (Ian Goddard) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.consciousness.mysticism,bionet.neuroscience Subject: Re: "Near Proof for Near-Death?" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:51:21 GMT Organization: IanGoddard.net Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3c1e5933.45923792@news.erols.com> References: <3c1e54cd.44797375@news.erols.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZpC0dtnhiTsJCVdw62Pf5fx4lRnkOhmAdQCF25GQTTFK9bk9A2Hunl X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2001 20:48:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235