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On Mar 10, 9:21 pm, "Brad Guth" <bradg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Bill Bonde" <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> news:esvon0$rl4$1@news.datemas.de
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> > Brad Guth wrote:
> > > How about for starters, a doable collective of POOFs at VL2?
>
> > > A crew shift every 19 months, with those mostly robotic deliveries of
> > > beer and pizza in between.
>
> > That's a good example of what I was talking about.
>
> You must realize that Venus L2 is a relatively cool location, and from
> that vantage point we could manage to toss a few of those frozen pizzas
> and whatever empty beer cans at Venus for the real science of it all.
>
> We could even lower a special fishing line in order to deploy whatever
> micro science instrument(s), or in order to recover whatever upper
> atmospheric samples.
>
> A robotic form of a composite rigid airship that would cruise nearly
> forever, as efficiently and safely below them thick clouds, as such this
> form of a rather nifty buoyant probe could be rather easily remote
> pilotted from VL2, without hardly any significant loop delay (6.762
> seconds or less isn't all that bad).
>
> Venus L2 = 1,014,290 km
> -
> Brad Guth
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In order to accommodate our frail DNA at Venus L2 (aka VL2 POOF City)
is going to take some expertise that's well above what little most of
us outsiders currently understand.  Obviously the Bigelow team of
expertise and applied POOF physics shouldn't have any problems.
However, the following bits of information should otherwise help the
rest of us village idiots process towards having a somewhat better
understanding, as to why VL2 is so much more doable than our moon's L1
(aka Clarke Station or that of my spendy LSE-CM/ISS).

Shuttle @ISS reveives 1354~1374 w/m2 + planet and moon IR shine
Planetshine IR Heat Flux [W/m2]
earthshine radiance IR [W/m2] = > 266 w/m2 (day/night average)
venusshine radiance IR [W/m2] = < 532 w/m2 ? (nighttime)
Our moon's IR shine IR [W/m2] = < 685 w/m2 ? (daytime)

Spaceflight Plant Chamber Design / Sunlight spectrum UV~IR: 1390 W/m2
http://europa.ieec.fcr.es/english/formacio/cva/apunts/P._Planas/Presentation.pdf
The Sun is characterised as a blackbody emitting radiation at 5762 K
· The average solar radiation falling at right angles at a distance
  of 1 AU is called the Solar Constant (1371 +/ - 10 W/ m 2 )
· In actual fact the Solar irradiation is not constant:
- Negligible 11- year Solar cycle (0.5% variability)
- Stationality caused by the Earth elliptical orbit (3.5% variability)

>From LEO, earth albedo shifts fro as great as 60% yo as little as 20%
Flux (W/m2)   (H=600km)  (H=35,786 km)
Solar (*)      1371        1371 F (D)
IR shine (**)   326         9.0
Albedo (***)    343         4.0

Example: sphere in space
Material            á      å     á/å  T sphere (K)
Gold on Al         0.26   0.03   8.7    478.8
Black paint        0.95   0.85   1.1    285.5
Kapton on Al       0.48   0.81   0.6    245.4
White paint        0.20   0.85   0.2    186.4

Polar orbit around the Moon, altitude of 100 km
· Spin- stabilised S/C, with spin axis kept perpendicular to polar
orbit plane
  by day = 400 K (+127°C)
  by night = 85 k (-188°C)

ESA Thermal Analysis Tools developed & maintained by Alstom, see:
http://www.techcentreuk.power.alstom.com/
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While upon the nighttime surface of the moon = 110 K (-163°C)
Interstellar, such as our Sol L1 --> Sirius = 5~10 K (-265°C)
The extremely cold deep space sink temperature = ~3K (-270°C)
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Of how much our moon contributes to global warming is simply not the
insignificant amount that's being mainstream suggested.  How top
secret is the station-keeping thermal budget of our moon's L1, or for
that of Venus L2 is however worth our further appreciating, especially
since there's no good reasons for such scientific banishment.

Obviously whenever I've asked of others to suggest or estimate upon
the thermal budget considerations at Venus L2(VL2), as such there
really shouldn't have been any insurmountable problems, yet lo and
behold there was nothing but another gauntlet of insurmountable flak
and/or naysayism running amuck, telling me that we're still bucking up
against that pesky need to know basis or otherwise getting blocked by
their mainstream taboo/nondisclosure policy, as likely the same
infomercial spewing policy as to why ESA's Venus EXPRESS mission's PFS
instrument has been kept need-to-know, off-line or otherwise as having
been remote terminated by those wishing to keep their previous lies as
to why Venus is so ungodly greenhouse hot as the one and only official
scientific interpretation.

This nearly insurmountable gauntlet of infomercial science, of either
disinformation or simply that of evidence exclusion is not by any
mistake or by some perfectly innocent skewed reasoning, but rather as
a direct result of orchestrated efforts and the actions of others in
direct benefit, as taken on by the very highest levels of religion and
of their puppet governments that'll obviously do whatever it takes for
keeping such lids on tight, such lies in place, as well as published
into those textbooks and science journals that count, and even as
having been NOVA televised production worthy.

Sadly, we are currently being lied to about our moon and Venus, and
thus far I can't even exclude Sirius from being at risk of having been
a good part of those other two lies.  Earth's planetology is simply
too unlike Mars, Venus and especially unlike our salty old moon with
all of those substantial yet so unusually shallow craters (as though
that moon of ours had once upon a time a substantial layer of ice on
deck).  In fact, all other planets and moons of this DNA limited solar
system are simply too happenstance and/or individually weird to
explain as having been created early on by the very same cloud of
stellar composition, as that of our sun along with such an odd
collection of planets and moons.  If to be accepting the existing
explanations as to all that we supposedly know, it's as though our
solar system was the one and only such solar system that so happened
to be in the one and only exact best of all locations for having
benefitted from all else we can perceive, that's within the existing
scope of modern astronomy and as otherwise explained by those regular
or even conditional laws of physics, whereas the odds of that being
the case are just slightly more than astronomical, if not greater than
Godly.

The missing mass of Sirius-B (3X < 4X solar mass), and of whatever
associated planets, moons or icy Oort cloud debris that became 'red-
giant phase' consummed and/or pushed away from that robust star system
is nothing short of being the most likely holy grail of whatever
contributed the greater substance to the complex assumulation of
becoming part our solar system, yet the Sirius star/solar system is
still treated as taboo/nondisclosure, as well as excluded and/or
banished from whatever 3D interactive simulations, and just plain and
silply intellectually banished as though it doesn't exist.

The best reason(s) for accomplishing POOF City at VL2 is that there
has been more than sufficient evidence that Venus is substantially
less old than Earth, as well as having accommodated intelligent other
life, though unfortunately we're so totally snookered and/or
dumbfounded past the point of no return, that which auto-rejects upon
such other intelligent life as having been existing/coexisting where
it's supposedly too hot and nasty for our DNA and thereby doesn't
matter (regardless of whatever applied technology or alternative
evolution), especially being naysay worthy to those in charge of
officially interpreting whatever, and otherwise in charge of having
been publishing and/or promoting as to whatever's worthy of receiving
our best talents and resources.  It's like going back to the circus,
whereas all that you get to see is in one way or another an illusion
or deliberate hocus-pocus act of clowns having been deceiving those of
us in the audience, and for the most part we keep returning to that
infomercial skewed circus for the eye-popping candy and/or mind
binding entertainment value that has little if anything to do with the
truth.

After all, being a faith-based happy camper is all that matters.
Right?
-
Brad Guth