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On Mar 10, 9:21 pm, "Brad Guth" <bradg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Bill Bonde" <tributyltinpa...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> news:esvon0$rl4$1@news.datemas.de
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> > Brad Guth wrote:
> > > How about for starters, a doable collective of POOFs at VL2?
>
> > > A crew shift every 19 months, with those mostly robotic deliveries of
> > > beer and pizza in between.
>
> > That's a good example of what I was talking about.
>
> You must realize that Venus L2 is a relatively cool location, and from
> that vantage point we could manage to toss a few of those frozen pizzas
> and whatever empty beer cans at Venus for the real science of it all.
>
> We could even lower a special fishing line in order to deploy whatever
> micro science instrument(s), or in order to recover whatever upper
> atmospheric samples.
>
> A robotic form of a composite rigid airship that would cruise nearly
> forever, as efficiently and safely below them thick clouds, as such this
> form of a rather nifty buoyant probe could be rather easily remote
> pilotted from VL2, without hardly any significant loop delay (6.762
> seconds or less isn't all that bad).
>
> Venus L2 = 1,014,290 km
> -
> Brad Guth
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Sorry once again, as I don't happen use such a good spell checker, or
otherwise can I always control my dyslexic encrypted mindset.  The
following effort is slightly improved on those two counts.

Venus L2 is cool (almost too cool), with less than 25% insolation.

In order to accommodate our frail DNA at Venus L2 (aka VL2 POOF City
and 19 months at a time, plus whatever pesky to/from commute) is going
to take some expertise that's well above what little most of us
outsiders currently understand.  Obviously the Bigelow team of such
expertise and applied POOF physics shouldn't have any problems.
However, the following bits of information should otherwise help the
rest of us village idiots process towards having a somewhat better
understanding, as to why VL2 is so much more doable than our moon's L1
(aka Clarke Station or that of my spendy LSE-CM/ISS).

Shuttle @ISS reveives 1354~1374 w/m2 + planet and moon IR shine
Planetshine IR Heat Flux [W/m2]
earthshine radiance IR [W/m2] = > 266 w/m2 (day/night average)
venusshine radiance IR [W/m2] = < 532 w/m2 ? (nighttime)
Our moon's IR shine IR [W/m2] = < 685 w/m2 ? (daytime)
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Spaceflight Plant Chamber Design / Sunlight spectrum UV~IR: 1390 W/m2
http://europa.ieec.fcr.es/english/formacio/cva/apunts/P._Planas/Presentation.pdf
The Sun is characterised as a blackbody emitting radiation at 5762 K
· The average solar radiation falling at right angles at a distance
  of 1 AU is called the Solar Constant (1371 +/ - 10 W/ m 2 )
· In actual fact the Solar irradiation is not constant:
- Negligible 11- year Solar cycle (0.5% variability)
- Stationality caused by the Earth elliptical orbit (3.5% variability)

>From LEO, earth albedo shifts fro as great as 60% yo as little as 20%
Flux (W/m2)   (H=600km)  (H=35,786 km)
Solar (*)      1371        1371 F (D)
IR shine (**)   326         9.0
Albedo (***)    343         4.0

Example: sphere in space
Material            á      å     á/å   T sphere (K)
Gold on Al         0.26   0.03   8.7    478.8
Black paint        0.95   0.85   1.1    285.5
Kapton on Al       0.48   0.81   0.6    245.4
White paint        0.20   0.85   0.2    186.4

Polar orbit around the Moon, altitude of 100 km
· Spin- stabilised S/C, with spin axis kept perpendicular to polar
orbit plane
  by day = 400 K (+127°C)
  by night = 85 k (-188°C)

ESA Thermal Analysis Tools developed & maintained by Alstom, see:
http://www.techcentreuk.power.alstom.com/
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While upon the nighttime surface of the moon = 110 K (-163°C)
Interstellar, such as our Sol L1 --> Sirius = 5~10 K (-265°C)
The extremely cold deep space sink temperature = ~3K (-270°C)
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Of exactly how much our moon contributes to global warming is simply
not the insignificant amount that's being mainstream suggested,
especially as such a terrific mascon/gravity influence creates
friction upon and within this 98.5% fluid Earth.  A better question
is; How top secret is the station-keeping thermal budget of our moon's
L1, or rather for that of Venus L2 is however worth our further
appreciating, especially since there's no good reasons for such
continued scientific banishment.

Whenever I've asked of others to suggest or estimate upon the thermal
budget considerations at Venus L2(VL2), as such there really shouldn't
have been any insurmountable problems, yet lo and behold there has
been nothing but another gauntlet of insurmountable flak and/or
naysayism running amuck, telling me that we're still bucking up
against that pesky need to know basis or otherwise getting blocked by
their mainstream taboo/nondisclosure policy, as likely the same
infomercial spewing policy as to why ESA's Venus EXPRESS mission's PFS
instrument has been kept need-to-know, off-line or otherwise as having
been remote terminated by those wishing to keep their previous lies as
to why Venus is so ungodly greenhouse hot as the one and only official
scientific interpretation.

This nearly insurmountable gauntlet of infomercial science, of either
disinformation or simply that of evidence exclusion is not by any
mistake or by some perfectly innocent skewed reasoning, but rather as
a direct result of orchestrated efforts and the actions of others in
direct benefit, as taken on by the very highest levels of religion and
of their puppet governments that'll obviously do whatever it takes for
keeping such lids on tight, such lies in place, as well as published
into those textbooks and science journals that count, and even as
having been NOVA televised production worthy.

Sadly, we are currently being flat out lied to about our moon and
Venus, and thus far I can't even exclude Sirius from being at risk of
having been a good extension of those other two lies.  Earth's
planetology is simply too unlike Mars, Venus and especially unlike our
salty old moon with all of those substantial yet so unusually shallow
craters (as though that moon of ours had once upon a time a fairly
substantial layer of ice on deck).  In fact, all other planets and
moons of this DNA limited solar system are simply too happenstance and/
or individually weird to explain as having been created early on by
the very same cloud of stellar composition, as that of our sun along
with such an odd collection of planets and moons.  If to be accepting
the existing explanations as to all that we supposedly know, it's as
though ours was the one and only such solar system that so happened to
be in the one and only exact best of all locations for having
benefitted from all else we can perceive, that's within the existing
scope of modern astronomy and as otherwise explained by those regular
or even conditional laws of physics, whereas the odds of that being
the case are just slightly more than astronomical, if not greater than
Godly.

The missing mass of Sirius-B (3X < 4X solar mass), and of whatever
associated planets, moons or icy Oort cloud debris that became (red-
giant phase) consummed and/or pushed away from that robust star system
is nothing short of being the most likely holy grail of whatever
contributed the greater substance to the complex assimilation of
becoming part our solar system, yet the Sirius star/solar system is
still treated as taboo/nondisclosure, as well as excluded and/or
banished from whatever 3D interactive simulations, and just plain and
silply intellectually banished as though it doesn't exist.

The best of reason(s) for accomplishing POOF City at VL2 is that there
has been more than sufficient evidence that Venus is substantially
less old than Earth, as well as having accommodated intelligent other
life, though unfortunately we're so totally snookered and/or
dumbfounded past the point of no return, that which most often auto-
rejects upon such other intelligent life as having been existing/
coexisting where it's supposedly too hot and nasty for our DNA and
thereby doesn't matter (regardless of whatever applied technology or
alternative evolution), especially being naysay worthy to those in
charge of officially interpreting whatever, and otherwise in charge of
having been publishing and/or promoting as to whatever's worthy of
receiving our best talents and resources.  It's like going back to the
circus, whereas all that you get to see is in one way or another an
illusion or deliberate hocus-pocus act of clowns having been deceiving
those of us in the audience, and for the most part we keep returning
to that infomercial skewed circus for the eye-popping candy and/or
mind binding entertainment value that has little if anything to do
with the truth.

After all, being a faith-based happy camper is all that matters.
Right?
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Brad Guth