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Article #7031Re: Fabrication
From: John Roberts
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 12:48
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 12:48
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-From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) -Subject: Re: Fabrication (was fast track failures) -Date: 5 Jan 93 00:39:01 GMT -Organization: U of Toronto Zoology -Moreover, there is a deeper issue here. Yes, having the engineers out -of tune with metal-bending is a bad thing when the objective is to -manufacture something. It's worse, though, when they're trying to -*develop* something. -Gary's comments (the >>> above) are squarely in the NASA mold: if you -do it right on paper, it will work the first time (although of course -you test it just in case). Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work -that way, as witness any number of NASA projects that *didn't* work -the first time. Real-world development involves *finding out* what -works and what doesn't... and you cannot do that on paper. You have -to test things *during* the engineering, not just afterward. Relevant to the discussion, I thought at least the major components of the Shuttle were tested to some extent before STS-1. Perhaps not as much as they could have been, but I remember all the SRB ground tests, all the burned/exploded SSMEs, the glide tests of Enterprise, etc. It probably wasn't practical to test some of the components (i.e. the ET) except in actual flight. I suppose the thermal tiles could have been tested on an unmanned capsule before the first flight of the Shuttle. There is perhaps still some debate on whether STS-1 should have been unmanned. I'd say that from an economic viewpoint, if the presence of humans could significantly improve it's chances of safe return, then it was worthwhile to have it manned. The Soviets didn't have that option with Buran - for political reasons, it had to launch sometime around the first post-Challenger Shuttle launch, and it didn't have life support (or onboard power other than batteries). John Roberts roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!das-news.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov From: roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts) Newsgroups: sci.space Subject: Re: Fabrication Message-ID: <C0Dsxz.9yB.1@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 5 Jan 93 12:48:22 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C0Dsxz.9yB.1 Sender: news+@cs.cmu.edu Distribution: sci Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology formerly National Bureau of Standards Lines: 38 Approved: bboard-news_gateway X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU