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"straydog" <advocacy@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 22 May 2005, Rich Lemert wrote:
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>> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:06:02 GMT
>> From: Rich Lemert <rlemert@mindspring.com>
>> Newsgroups: sci.stat.math, sci.stat.edu, sci.research.careers, 
>> aus.politics,
>>     aus.general
>> Subject: Re: Dropping standards
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>> clemenr@wmin.ac.uk wrote:
>>> Here in the UK we moan about students a lot. However, the example you
>>> give of a student throwing a tantrum because she was asked to show the
>>> working would be unthinkable. At least in my experience. And if it did
>>> happen, I would simply advise her that there is a standard procedure
>>> for appeals should she not be satisfied with how I marked the exam. And
>>> I would have considerable confidence in the conclusion the appeals
>>> panel would be likely to come to.
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>>  When I was teaching, any student that wanted to challenge his or her
>> grade on any of my exams was allowed to, provided that their challenge
>> was submitted in writing. They were told, in the syllabus that I passed
>> out at the beginning of the term,
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> Who authored the syllabus? You?
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>  that this included ANY re-grade
>> request, even if all they were claiming was that I added up the points
>> wrong. They were to state what their complaint was about the grade I'd
>> given them, and the remedy they were seeking. I explained that I had
>> established this procedure because it was the only way I knew that I'd
>> be able to keep track of everyone's request.
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>>  I never had any complaints about my grading when I followed this
>> procedure. The students knew that their complaints were being heard, and
>> whether they received a corrected score or I ruled that the original
>> score was correct, they understood why they got the grade they received.
>> Most changes, if there was a change, were minor, but at least one
>> student was able to prove to my satisfaction that I'd missed an
>> important part of his solution during my original grading.
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>>  I'm sure that this policy helped reduce the number of regrade requests
>> I received. I can't prove it,
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> Gee, that's funny. I have a whole website of "challenges" to your mantra 
> about how nice getting a PhD is and why one shouldn't talk about failure, 
> but you never acknowledged that, never read it, and always argue with me 
> with zero basis behind your arguing.
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>> but I'm sure that some of the students,
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>> while being forced to explain why my grade was wrong, found out that
>> they themselves were mistaken, and that my marks were correct.
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> You're sure? Without asking them? That makes your marks correct?
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>> Rich Lemert
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I found clemenr's posting eminently sensible. It is always difficult to get 
people to be rational when they are talking. Giving them a pen and paper 
helps enormously.

Somehow giving them a computer keyboard isn't nearly as effective...

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