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Re: Dropping standards

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From: straydog
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 21:37
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On Sun, 22 May 2005, Rich Lemert wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:06:02 GMT
> From: Rich Lemert <rlemert@mindspring.com>
> Newsgroups: sci.stat.math, sci.stat.edu, sci.research.careers, aus.politics,
>     aus.general
> Subject: Re: Dropping standards
> 
> clemenr@wmin.ac.uk wrote:
>> Here in the UK we moan about students a lot. However, the example you
>> give of a student throwing a tantrum because she was asked to show the
>> working would be unthinkable. At least in my experience. And if it did
>> happen, I would simply advise her that there is a standard procedure
>> for appeals should she not be satisfied with how I marked the exam. And
>> I would have considerable confidence in the conclusion the appeals
>> panel would be likely to come to.
>
>  When I was teaching, any student that wanted to challenge his or her
> grade on any of my exams was allowed to, provided that their challenge
> was submitted in writing. They were told, in the syllabus that I passed
> out at the beginning of the term,

Who authored the syllabus? You?

  that this included ANY re-grade
> request, even if all they were claiming was that I added up the points
> wrong. They were to state what their complaint was about the grade I'd
> given them, and the remedy they were seeking. I explained that I had
> established this procedure because it was the only way I knew that I'd
> be able to keep track of everyone's request.
>
>  I never had any complaints about my grading when I followed this
> procedure. The students knew that their complaints were being heard, and
> whether they received a corrected score or I ruled that the original
> score was correct, they understood why they got the grade they received.
> Most changes, if there was a change, were minor, but at least one
> student was able to prove to my satisfaction that I'd missed an
> important part of his solution during my original grading.
>
>  I'm sure that this policy helped reduce the number of regrade requests
> I received. I can't prove it,

Gee, that's funny. I have a whole website of "challenges" to your mantra 
about how nice getting a PhD is and why one shouldn't talk about failure, 
but you never acknowledged that, never read it, and always argue with me 
with zero basis behind your arguing.

> but I'm sure that some of the students,
           ^^^^
> while being forced to explain why my grade was wrong, found out that
> they themselves were mistaken, and that my marks were correct.

You're sure? Without asking them? That makes your marks correct?

> Rich Lemert
>
>
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