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Article #45Re: help, a simple problem
From: Jon Dodd
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:00
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Harald Giese wrote: > For a normal distribution A and B are independent random variables. > Therefore, the likelihood for P(A>B) = 0.5 (i.e. 50%) and > P(B>A) = 1 - 0.5 = 0.5 (P(u) + P(v) = 1, if v is the complementary event > of u - think of a coin: P(head) + P(tail) = 1). > You are just dividing a set of N random numbers into two sets of N/2 > elements by random! (However, if you had specified something like A > m > + sd this would make a different case.) Of course both sets are random > representations of the same distribution with the same mean and standard > deviation - but slightly different sample means and sample standard > deviations as those are only estimators of the "true" parameters of the > distribution. For N -> Infinity: mean(x) = mean(y) = > mean_of_normal_distribution. Dear Harald, Thankyou for your reply. I don't think you understood my problem correctly or perhaps I misinterpreted your reply. I have 1 normal distribution (in fact I have 2 identical normal distributions but I posed the problem this way to make it simpler). I take random sample A and then random sample B. if A>B then the value of A goes to group X. if A<B then value A (value A again not B) goes to Y. Thus it is intuitive that X will have a greater mean than Y. They will differ from the original by the same amounts and be mirror images of each other about the mean. I have done some more thinking about this and the distributions of X and Y obviously must sum to the original distribution. If you draw this you get 2 non normal distributions with differences from the mean of about 0.5 sd. My question again though is how do you go through a mathematical proof showing the exact values of the means and the common new sd? Is there an equation giving the shape of the new distributions? Is it just multiplying a cumulative gaussian (prob that A>B) by the original distribution - if so how do you do this? many thanks Jon
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d632,25452c41ae5fa156 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d632,public X-Google-Thread: 107079,25452c41ae5fa156 X-Google-Attributes: gid107079,public X-Google-Thread: fa931,25452c41ae5fa156 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa931,public From: Jon Dodd <jvd@physiol.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Re: help, a simple problem Date: 1998/09/21 Message-ID: <360661F6.4DDCADE1@physiol.ox.ac.uk> X-Deja-AN: 393298196 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <36052C4E.A697E07@physiol.ox.ac.uk> <360650C1.9914757@dkrz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ox.ac.uk X-Trace: news.ox.ac.uk 906387967 11770 163.1.248.105 (21 Sep 1998 14:26:07 GMT) Organization: Oxford University, England Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:26:07 GMT Newsgroups: sci.stat.math,sci.math.num-analysis,aus.stats.s