🚀 go-pugleaf

On Feb 25, 8:29 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> In article <1172454461.376750.93...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> <dhm_at_best_dot_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 25, 1:03 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> > > .........And yet they drift into town, find the needle
> > > exchange place, sign up for the marijuana giveaways, seek "benefits,"
> > > complain about how they are not being given shelter, and whine to
> > > liberals like Becky and Robert and Dan that they are being repressed.)
>
> > Don't you fall into the same trap as the other jerks.  This journalism
> > is a hobby with me.  I started into the Homeless-schtick with the
> > attitude and reading of a land use attorney.  The others all wanted to
> > be the Homeless Advocate-Representative Beegshots.  I've been
> > 'homeless' for the better part of 35 years.  Do you think that I ever
> > wanted these people to 'represent' me?  Hell no.
>
> A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
> Trotskyite politics.
>
> Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
> make a token effort to analyze what is being said.
>
> Speaking of which, you forwarded Becky's claim that people are being
> harassed because they don't do enough shopping downtown....and yet I
> reported that in more than 22 years of spending a _lot_ of time in
> downtown Santa Cruz I have not been harassed (except by bums, winoes,
> and beggars), nor have I been arrested, run out of town, ticketed, etc.
>
> And this is without any apparent "shopping" on my part. Which means
> Becky's causal claim is shot to pieces.
>
> So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
> claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
> evidence of truth or falsity?
>
> What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece.
>
> This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
> of people's views is. A mouthpiece.
>
>
>
> > Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
> > not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
> > clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
> > documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
> > had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
> > history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
> > about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
> > accuse me of being the other.
>
> If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.
>
> Frankly, Norse is much more interested in stamping his feet and making
> threats to hold his breath in City Council meetings than he is in
> making any kind of _case_ for what he (apparently) wants.
>
> I add "apparently" because it's never clear what his "demands"
> are....building hotels for the bums, sending the word out to bums all
> across Califiornia to come and move into the hotels? Free food for
> those who don't want to work? Assigned camping spots in all of the
> city's parks, so that taxpayers will not be able to use the very parks
> their taxes have paid for? And so on. He thinks of himself as some sort
> of political theorist, but where is his plan? And who has ever
> critiqued or analyzed it?
>
> This is why he rants on one-page screeds that cannot be analyzed in any
> meaningful way. This is why he fumes and rants at City Council
> meetings. This is why he doesn't want his "thoughts" propagated on the
> Net--he knows full well how incoherent they are.
>
> And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
> keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies.
>
> "Yeah, what Robert said! Right on! Food, not bombs! We gotta shut that
> motherfucking bookstore DOWN! Yo, got any blow?"
>
>
>
> > At one point I learned things from Becky like who was suspected to be
> > going around with baseball bats smashing people in their tents.  That
> > made it a different ball game for me.
>
> If the cops refuse to enforce the laws, the people have to.
>
> There is plenty of wilderness for people to camp in. But the bums are
> not interested in camping qua camping. Rather, they want "social
> services," access to drug-dealing centers, free food, handouts from
> governemnt agencies, and no need to work. And they think San Lorenzo
> Park is their toilet, their living room, and their place of business.
> When the bums own the public places, and the cops look away, time for
> the people to start bashing heads....
>
> The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
> when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
> and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
> crap since.
>
> Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.
>
> Don't feed the pigeons.
>
> --Tim May

Unlike Canoza's usual trolling, Tim's comments above represent a
reasonably well thought out criticism.  Agree or disagree, this is
Usenet at its finest.

Recently someone had placed semi-anonymous 'google ratings' on the
postings here.  I didn't like that.  But I would rate Tim's posting
above very high.

I do not regard Canoza's thread 'two myths of homelessness' as
trolling.  I would also give it a high rating.