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Article #3678Re: (fwd) Santa Cruz Homeless Update - First Thoughts Toward Homeless Resistance
From: dhm_at_best_dot_com
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:55
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:55
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On Jan 23, 4:16 pm, dhm_at_best_dot_...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Jan 23, 8:54 am, Queenie <queenie...@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > Rudy, Daniel is homeless. I think his last response was serious. If > > you're really interested in his "thoughts on homelessness", just ask > > him. I believe he has a whole website devoted to the issue, by the > > way. > > > ~Queenie in Santa Cruz, now returning you to your regular programming.I never had a whole website devoted to homelessness. I founded the > Usenet newsgroup alt.society.homeless to make sure there would be a > free, unmoderated, uncensored forum over the issue. At the time, > others were creating more popular listservs but were often claiming to > be or to represent the homeless when they weren't, and they were > asserting ownership (exclusionary and stigma generating rights) over > their lists in a way that they could filter content and people. > > It's funny now how Rudy Canoza personally attacks me for posting > others' stuff. I used to insert a disclaimer but it's a bit more > onerous posting from the web. Rudy supports content filtering. He > can't delete the posts from the Usenet so he trying to hammer me with > harassment. > > Everyone uses a straw people at one time or another to assert their > views. "The Homeless" are a classic case of this, whether used by > Robert Norse or Rudy Canoza, or by the homeless themselves. So what's > the big deal? It's obvious that someone has standing to express one's > own views, but lacks standing to formally represent the views of > 'straw' people, assuming such people are also real. fyi, I seem to make diction errors too often - this is because I go back and edit a more serious posting before sending it off without sufficiently proofreading it. Here I started out with the word 'strawman' as in 'straw man argument', but then I decided to use 'straw people' instead because a 'straw man' argument is regarded as something more narrow in terms of its meaning. I needed to expand the concept to express what I needed but I forgot to remove the "a" in the sentence 'Everyone uses (a) straw people at one time or another....' I might have better written "'The Homeless' are a classic _example_ of this", "It is funny how Rudy engages in ad hominem attacks against me...", "He can't delete the posts from the Usenet so he _has been_ trying to hammer me with harassment." "were often claiming to be _homeless_ or to represent the homeless when they weren't..." So basically there's nothing too wrong with my brain in this respect. Like Jubal Harshaw, I could use a secretary.
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