🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: stl.general
Article #44

Re: *Some* Southerners Are STOOPID (WAS Battle flag

#44
From: Dave Simpson
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:25
51 lines
3677 bytes
Lloyd R. Parker wrote:

>: It also fits their moral laxity instead to bend and twist and distort
>: the meaning of the law, to use specious argument such as basing
>: their claims on the Preamble to the Constitution or to say that the
>
>Whoa!  Not the preamble -- article I, section 8 -- "provide for the
>general welfare."  Perhaps it's you who are ignorant of the constitution.

There you go again with your errors.  The "general welfare" clause
is a qualification of the power to tax, which is the power granted to
the federal government in Article 1, Section 8.  Those who wrote the
Constitution knew it, and even made it plain for all in the Federalist
Papers -- it is no general grant of power.  Those who claim it is such
a grant are ignorant or liars and they flunk Constitutionality 101; the
"general welfare" clause and the "commerce clause" obviously can't
be misused as you believe they can.  That's among the easiest of
bogus claims to annihilate.

Federalist #41 (Madison) lays it bare.  He'd be reviled to see not
only what's been misconstrued and distorted, but that the level of
knowledge in the USA is so poor there are fools who still try to fool
their betters about the meaning of that clause.

http://memory.loc.gov/const/fed/fed_41.html

If you don't like it, too bad.  Grow up.  Rather than be crooked and
dishonorable and embarrassing and immature and demanding that
a court twist the meaning to suit what you want in today's society,
do as your betters insist and have wanted all along, and CHANGE
THE LAW -- AMEND THE CONSTITUTION.  That's what grown-ups
require.

>: (The Supreme Court decision inventing the requirement for _both_
>: houses of state legislatures to be based on one-person, one-vote
>: representation was illegitimate, and how ironic that the Senate
>: remains the way it is.)

>Because that's in the constitution.  No such exemption for state
>legislatures is in it.

It will be very entertaining for you to quote for us exactly where
it says such in the Constitution.  (The older state senates and our
U.S. Senate are part of a republican form of government, and if
there's no restriction on the states, they may do as they please.)

And you dare accuse others of ignorance!


Dave Simpson
Technical Details
Message-ID: <d59W6.8850$pb1.338326@www.newsranger.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail
References: <3B1D9A58.99A5C476@NuKeSpaM.ROCK> <slrn9i57ce.nj3.kt-alt@pug1.sprocketshop.com> <LUZU6.3434$pb1.129299@www.newsranger.com> <fToV6.5152$pb1.196753@www.newsranger.com> <9g5l0j$fof$1@paladin.cc.emory.edu> <MnuV6.5700$pb1.221761@www.newsranger.comOrganization: Emory University <9gb1na$d47$1@paladin.cc.emory.edu>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
X-Google-Thread: 10e1e4,b0c08251f4866110
X-Google-Attributes: gid10e1e4,public
X-Google-Thread: fa3bd,f368b316dcecd516
X-Google-Attributes: gidfa3bd,public
X-Google-Thread: fc709,b0c08251f4866110
X-Google-Attributes: gidfc709,public
X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-14 13:26:40 PST
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: stl.general,atl.general,alt.radio.talk.dr-laura
From: Dave Simpson <nospam@newsranger.com>
References: <3B1D9A58.99A5C476@NuKeSpaM.ROCK> <slrn9i57ce.nj3.kt-alt@pug1.sprocketshop.com> <LUZU6.3434$pb1.129299@www.newsranger.com> <fToV6.5152$pb1.196753@www.newsranger.com> <9g5l0j$fof$1@paladin.cc.emory.edu> <MnuV6.5700$pb1.221761@www.newsranger.comOrganization: Emory University <9gb1na$d47$1@paladin.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: Re: *Some* Southerners Are STOOPID (WAS Battle flag
Lines: 53
Message-ID: <d59W6.8850$pb1.338326@www.newsranger.com>
X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please
X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or
X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request
X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:25:45 EDT
Organization: http://www.newsranger.com
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:25:45 GMT